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THe Kingdom...the Church...the Body...the Bride!

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awaken

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This is something I have not searched out throughly but some comments I have read on here puzzled me and therefore I am in search of what the difference in the four mentioned in the title are.

I understand that before anything physical was ever created another world existed "The invisible kingdom of God!"

When he created the earth and man, wasn't that His physical kingdom?
When He created man wasn't he to have dominion over the physical kingdom?
I also understand that man lost that dominion at the fall. God's answer to the fall was an offspring through a woman to break the power of satan over our lives.

Was God's intent for us to rule the visible world through the unseen world (invisible)? Doesn't He want to do this through the unseen (Spirit of God), living in the unseen (spirit of man) and living in the seen (physical body) on the earth?
Wasn't the main focus of Jesus, "The kingdom?"

Some scriptures to look at the invisible vs. visible...I looked at Rom. 1:20; Col. 1:16; Heb. 11:3.

Well that is enough to get us thinking about what the kingdom is!
 
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Yeshua1

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awaken said:
This is something I have not searched out throughly but some comments I have read on here puzzled me and therefore I am in search of what the difference in the four mentioned in the title are.

I understand that before anything physical was ever created another world existed "The invisible kingdom of God!"

When he created the earth and man, wasn't that His physical kingdom?
When He created man wasn't he to have dominion over the physical kingdom?
I also understand that man lost that dominion at the fall. God's answer to the fall was an offspring through a woman to break the power of satan over our lives.

Was God's intent for us to rule the visible world through the unseen world (invisible)? Doesn't He want to do this through the unseen (Spirit of God), living in the unseen (spirit of man) and living in the seen (physical body) on the earth?
Wasn't the main focus of Jesus, "The kingdom?"

Some scriptures to look at the invisible vs. visible...I looked at Rom. 1:20; Col. 1:16; Heb. 11:3.

Well that is enough to get us thinking about what the kingdom is!
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Before we proceed...

You don't hold to charasmatic teaching that states satan took dominion from God, lost the deed to earth at the fall do you?
 
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awaken

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Yeshua1 said:
Who gained domenion over the earth when adam sinned?
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Dominion....rule..
Hebrew..mashal, mamlakah, malkut
Greek...basileia
"to rule' "sovereignty," "to reign" "kingdom" "to master" "to be king" "royal rule" and "Kingly."
To be given dominion means to be established as sovereign, kingly, ruler, master, governor, responsible for reigning over a designated territory, with the inherent authority to represent and embody as a symbol, the territory, resources and all the constitutes that kingdom.
Man had this commissioning from God...

God gave man dominion over earth.
God gave man dominion over creation and earth, not other men.
God never gave man dominion over heaven.
God never gave man a religion, but a relationship.
God never promised man heaven, but earth.

Who would you say has this dominion after the fall and before the cross?

Exod. 19:5-6 Says the whole earth is God's...but he wanted the Israelites to be a kingdom of priest and a holy nation.
 
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Yeshua1

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awaken said:
Dominion....rule..
Hebrew..mashal, mamlakah, malkut
Greek...basileia
"to rule' "sovereignty," "to reign" "kingdom" "to master" "to be king" "royal rule" and "Kingly."
To be given dominion means to be established as sovereign, kingly, ruler, master, governor, responsible for reigning over a designated territory, with the inherent authority to represent and embody as a symbol, the territory, resources and all the constitutes that kingdom.
Man had this commissioning from God...

God gave man dominion over earth.
God gave man dominion over creation and earth, not other men.
God never gave man dominion over heaven.
God never gave man a religion, but a relationship.
God never promised man heaven, but earth.

Who would you say has this dominion after the fall and before the cross?

Exod. 19:5-6 Says the whole earth is God's...but he wanted the Israelites to be a kingdom of priest and a holy nation.
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So did God or satan hold domenion over the earth after the fall?
 
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Yeshua1

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awaken said:
THe earth belongs to God!
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good!
So you do not hold to the heretical views of satan taking over domenion, and that God was the biggest failure in the Bible, as he had to 'hope" jesus could overcome satan, espoused by hagin/Copeland and their ilk, correct?
 
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RLBosley

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My understanding is that the final 3 (Church, Body, and Bride) are all figures of speech to describe the same thing - The Church or the people of God.

The Kingdom however is different. The Kingdom is the rule of God, so God has always had His Kingdom because He has always been the only sovereign over everything. So the Kingdom of God is NOT the church however the Church experiences the Kingdom as it's residents. Similar to saying I am a citizen of the United States but I am not the United States. The church/Body of Christ/Bride of Christ is the people of the Kingdom, but not the kingdom itself.
 
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awaken

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RLBosley said:
My understanding is that the final 3 (Church, Body, and Bride) are all figures of speech to describe the same thing - The Church or the people of God.

The Kingdom however is different. The Kingdom is the rule of God, so God has always had His Kingdom because He has always been the only sovereign over everything. So the Kingdom of God is NOT the church however the Church experiences the Kingdom as it's residents. Similar to saying I am a citizen of the United States but I am not the United States. The church/Body of Christ/Bride of Christ is the people of the Kingdom, but not the kingdom itself.
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I can agree with this!
 
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awaken

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Yeshua1 said:
good!
So you do not hold to the heretical views of satan taking over domenion, and that God was the biggest failure in the Bible, as he had to 'hope" jesus could overcome satan, espoused by hagin/Copeland and their ilk, correct?
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God is always in control! We are the ones out of control!

Jesus defeated satan through the cross, right? What was defeated?
 
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Yeshua1

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awaken said:
God is always in control! We are the ones out of control!

Jesus defeated satan through the cross, right? What was defeated?
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the bible says jesus destroyed the devil by the Cross, did not defeat him, as that would implie he had to get something back from him!
 
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