The Lazy Man's Guide to Interpretting Parables

[Amy.G]

You also will not find where anyone but npetreley, yourself, and a few others have stated what you are supposedly "quoting" here.

There are some who end up in gehenna.

Most, simply end up with no rewards. Many are called.

Some end up ruling and reigning. Few are called out, or elect.

It's interesting to note that the servant who was punished, was punished for doing nothing.

What do you mean we are the only ones saying that you preach "soul salvation"?

That is what you believe is it not?

Haven't you been preaching eternal salvation for the spirit, but the soul is saved from punishment in hell by your good works?

Are you going to deny what you've been so agressively preaching on this board?



We have only repeated your beliefs.

 

[Hope of Glory]

but the soul is saved from punishment in hell by your good works?

All anyone has stated is that some will receive chastizement for their bad behavior. Some will receive crowns. Most will simply be there.

Many are called. Few are called out.

No one, but npetreley and those aping him have said that it's either/or in regards to chastizement or not.

 

[skypair]

All anyone has stated is that some will receive chastizement for their bad behavior. Some will receive crowns. Most will simply be there.

HoG --- I'm about ready for you to identify for us every judgment in scripture or parable that the saved church age Christian is subject to. I feel I must basically send Christians to Israel's judgment seat in order to see this the way you do.

We've already discussed that the "Talents" and "sheep and goats" are judgments of those out of the tribulation which the church had been taken out of pretrib. Now you are alluding to Luke 12:47-48 where the servant (that's ISRAEL again) receives many or few stripes. This is just a parallel of Mt 24:48-51 -- again Israel.

How can you give us good "kingdom" teaching when you don't know what applies to the church?? My suggestion is that you begin looking at the "kingdom gospel" as applying to Israel, the OT and trib saints, which it DOES! John the B preached it, Jesus preached it. He sent out 12 and then 70 disciples preaching it. BUT THEN IT WAS POSTPONED by the CROSS! No King or kingdom -- instead, a Sacrifice. WHEN the "kingdom" comes, we will come with it, Rev 19:8-9, 14!! We'll have had our judgment seat already!

And please do it quick. It's agonizing for me to see you and the others brutalized for abherent beliefs that so closely mimic the Catholic error. Is it the RGO that is having this influence on you?

skypair

 

[Hope of Glory]

Don't forget that offer was taken from Israel as a nation and given to the Gentiles.

It certainly does apply to us now.

 

[skypair]

Don't forget that offer was taken from Israel as a nation and given to the Gentiles.

It certainly does apply to us now.

No, because soon the church will be "cut out" and Israel grafted back in -- the 70th week of Daniel. That's the tribulation. There's judgment before the tribulation for the church and after for Israel. So if you insist, don't forget the offer is going to be taken back from the Gentiles and given to Israel.

Now please, which judgments show the church and which don't? If you like, just show me the ones for the church -- makes a shorter list.

skypair

 

[James_Newman]

No, because soon the church will be "cut out" and Israel grafted back in -- the 70th week of Daniel. That's the tribulation. There's judgment before the tribulation for the church and after for Israel. So if you insist, don't forget the offer is going to be taken back from the Gentiles and given to Israel.

Now please, which judgments show the church and which don't? If you like, just show me the ones for the church -- makes a shorter list.

skypair

Where do you see that the church is going to be 'cut out'?

 

[skypair]

Where do you see that the church is going to be 'cut out'?

Rom 11:23-25 -- "23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again. [Re: Zech 12:10] 24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree? 25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. [mystery is that they are only blind until the rapture -- fulness of Gentiles come in, last Gentile saved "in Christ" and raptured!] 26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:... [This is Messiah's kingdom when "all Israel - NOT church - will be resurrected into the kingdom]."

Now granted, this is my view after much study. And often the "fulness of Gentiles" is considered to be Gentile political rule. But I believe my view is established by the "then all Israel saved." One thing the passage appears to be talking about is salvation which my view considers.

skypair

 

[James_Newman]

Rom 11:23-25 -- "23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again. [Re: Zech 12:10] 24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree? 25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. [mystery is that they are only blind until the rapture -- fulness of Gentiles come in, last Gentile saved "in Christ" and raptured!] 26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:... [This is Messiah's kingdom when "all Israel - NOT church - will be resurrected into the kingdom]."

Now granted, this is my view after much study. And often the "fulness of Gentiles" is considered to be Gentile political rule. But I believe my view is established by the "then all Israel saved." One thing the passage appears to be talking about is salvation which my view considers.

skypair

Romans 11:22
22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

I don't know if you are contrasting cut out with cut off, but cut off is always bad. And I don't believe that all believers are taken in the rapture, but thats another thread.