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A consistent, scriptural view of preservation does not lead to a modern, man-made KJV-only view.

According to the definition of preservation and according to what the Scriptures state, the same original language words given to the prophets and apostles would be the words that would be preserved. His words were the words given by inspiration to the prophets and apostles.

Do those who make non-scriptural exclusive only claims for the KJV show that they believe what the Scriptures state?

 

In another thread,

Which presently published edition of the KJV is every word the same as the 1769 Oxford edition of the KJV?

All spelling was not standardized in the 1769 edition of the KJV.

All errors were not corrected in the 1769 edition of the KJV.

The 1769 Oxford edition of the KJV introduced some new errors into the KJV, and some of them remained in the KJV many years.

 

It sure looks like it

 

This statement:

Is contrary to the claim that you are not KJVO

 

Good luck with that. I'd like to know the answer also.

 

Makahiya,

When the trumpet of the Lord shall sound, and time shall be no more,
And the morning breaks, eternal, bright and fair;
When the saved of earth shall gather over on the other shore,
And the roll is called up yonder, I’ll be there.

But where will God's word be?
In what form will God's word be forever preserved when everything of this age is destroyed?

Rob

 

YES...EVERY VALID bIBLE TRANSLATION.

 

In whatever form GOD jolly well chooses.

 

incorrect claims

Why do you post and even repeat false claims? You posted these same claims in another thread, and they were refuted.

The above are not the direct claims of Daniel B. Wallace. In what specific source or article does Daniel B. Wallace state the above? If Wallace makes them in any article, he would be quoting them from their actual source D. A. Waite.

The above inaccurate claims were made by D. A. Waite.

In his 1985 booklet The Authorized Version 1611 Compared to Today's King James Version, D. A. Waite wrote:

"1. 'Towards' is changed to 'toward' 14 times
2. 'Burnt' is changed to 'burned' 31 times
3. 'Amongst' is changed to 'among' 36 times
4. 'Lift' is changed to 'lifted' 51 times
5. 'You' is changed to 'ye' 82 times" (p. 5).

The information you quote what whatever source is actually not factual or correct.

I compared the same two editions of the KJV that D. A. Waite compared, and I found over 2,000 differences [not 421]. A list of those 2,000 are given in a booklet entitled Today's KJV and 1611 Compared and More. so that count have been documented and presented since 2006. Even D. A. Waite himself has revised his count up to 1,095 changes.

"You" in the 1611 edition was changed to "ye" over 200 times.

"Towards" was changed to "toward" more than 14 times. I quickly skimmed through my research and found over 70 times that this change was made.

 

You are misinformed.

D. A. Waite’s count of “only 136” changes that he termed “substantial changes” is inaccurate.

Perhaps because Waite failed to correct his 136 count of “substantial changes“ when he revised his count of total changes to 1095, David Cloud apparently assumed that out of the 674 additional changes that Waite now acknowledged that there would be no “substantial changes” among them. David Cloud asserted: “Dr. Waite found only 136 substantial changes” (Answering the Myths, p. 79).

According to Waite’s own stated categories of what constituted “substantial changes,“ it should be very clear that the claim of only “136” such changes does not hold up in the light of the facts found in the 1611 KJV. If all the changes in the categories that Waite described as “substantial” [adding a word, omitting a word, changing a tense, changing a word, changing number (plural/singular), changing a case] were counted, the count of “substantial” changes would definitely be over 300 if not over 400.

There were over 140 words added to a present KJV edition that are not found in the 1611. At one verse (Eccl. 8:17), six words were added. At nine verses, three words are added. At fifteen verses, two words are added.

Over 45 words found in the 1611 are omitted in the present KJV edition if the 21 words omitted at Exodus 14:10 are included in the count.

Over 60 times the number [plural/singular] of nouns or pronouns is changed.

Twenty or more times the tense of a verb is changed.

Sixty, seventy, or more examples would belong to the category “changing a word,“ and Waite himself listed at least that many examples in this category in his own incomplete 421 list in his 1985 booklet (see pp. 20-23). “Than” is a different word than “then,“ which means that there are 483 more word changes that could be counted as being “substantial.”

Under that category of “changing a word,“ Waite included a couple examples that could be described as “changing the gender of pronouns” [“he” to “she” (Ruth 3:15, Job 39:30), “her” to “his” (Gen. 39:16), “she“ to “he“ (Song of Solomon 2:7)]. Under his category described as “changing a case,“ Waite listed only two examples [“who” to “whom” (Acts 21:16) and “him” to “he” (Prov. 6:19)]. There would be other examples of the changing of the case of pronouns [“who” to “whom” (Gen. 24:44. Acts 22:8), “it“ to “its“ (Lev. 25:5)]. If all the changes of “you” to the nominative case “ye” were included in this category, the total number of “substantial changes” would be over 200 more. In twelve places, a nominative case “ye” was changed to a different case “you” [Gen. 19:14, Num. 32:24, Deut. 1:13, Josh. 3:12, Josh. 22:4, Isa. 1:16, Isa. 30:11, Isa. 32:11, Ezek. 11:15, Zech. 6:7, Zech. 9:12].

It would seem obvious that anyone who now advocates or defends this “136” substantial changes count has their eyes closed to the truth.

The 1611 KJV edition itself provides clear and convincing evidence that refutes some typical KJV-only claims about KJV editions

 

Interesting!

Ecclesiastes 8:11-

Then I behelde all the worke of God, that a man cannot finde out the worke that is done vnder the Sunne: because though a man labour to seeke it out, yea further though a wise man thinke to know it, yet shall hee not be able to finde it.

Then I beheld all the work of God, that a man cannot find out the work that is done under the sun: because though a man labour to seek it out, yet he shall not find it; yea farther; though a wise man think to know it, yet shall he not be able to find it.

Exodus 14:10-

¶ And when Pharaoh drew nigh, the children of Israel lift vp their eyes, and behold, the Egyptians marched after them, and they were sore afraid: and the children of Israel lift vp their eyes, and beholde, the Egyptians marched after them, and they were sore afraid: and the children of Israel cried out vnto the Lord.

And when Pharaoh drew nigh, the children of Israel lifted up their eyes, and, behold, the Egyptians marched after them; and they were sore afraid: and the children of Israel cried out unto the Lord.

Doesn't affect the message one bit, but it kind of blows the whole "perfect/Only" teaching out of the water.

 

facts vs. KJV-only fiction

Over and over, it can be seen that KJV-only advocates will not face and accept the truth.

The person who made the 421 word changes claim listed only one change for the Old Testament book of Ezra.

#147 Ezra 2:22 children {1611} men [today's KJV in Scofield Reference Bible]

Compare that incomplete, inaccurate listing to the facts:

Ezra 1:1 y LORD {1611} the LORD [today's KJV]
776 Ezra 1:4 besides {1611} beside [today's KJV]
777 Ezra 1:6 besides {1611} beside [today's KJV]
Ezra 1:10 basins {1611} basons [today's KJV]
Ezra 2:2 Mispar {161} Mizpar [today's KJV]
778 *Ezra 2:22 children {1611} men [today's KJV]
Ezra 3:4 duetie {1611} duty [today's KJV]
779 +Ezra 3:5 that willingly offred, offered {1611} that willingly offered [today's KJV]
780 Ezra 3:11 sung {1611} sang [today's KJV]
781 Ezra 3:11 towards {1611} toward [today's KJV]
782 Ezra 4:3 You have {1611} Ye have [today's KJV]
Ezra 4:10 Asnappar {1611} Asnapper [today's KJV]
783-784 Ezra 4:11 Thy servants {1611} Thy servants the men [today's KJV]
785 +Ezra 4:24 house of the God {1611} house of God [today's KJV]
Ezra 6:4 expences bee {1611} expenses be [today's KJV]
Ezra 6:9 appoyment {1611} appointment [today's KJV]
Ezra 6:15 honse {1611} house [today's KJV]
786 Ezra 7:9 fro {1611} from [today's KJV]
787 Ezra 7:18 the silver and gold {1611} the silver and the gold [today's KJV]
788 +Ezra 8:16 also for Jarib [1611] also for Joiarib [today's KJV]
789 +Ezra 8:21 the river Ahava {1611} the river of Ahava [today's KJV]
790 Ezra 9:3 pluckt {1611} plucked [today's KJV]
Ezra 9:7 bin delivered {1611} been delivered [today's KJV]
791 Ezra 9:13 then our iniquities {1611} than our iniquities [today's KJV]
Ezra 10:3 and lee it {1611} and let it [today's KJV]

 

This one is an obvious printer's (more specifically, typesetter's) error.

 

Is .01% the equivalent of "pure"?