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The Love (agapao) of God?

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Van, Sep 12, 2023.

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    Several verses use the ambiguous phrase which might refer to God's love for someone or it might refer to someone's love for God? How do we tell which one is probably the intended message and how could we better translate the phrase?

    Lets take a look at some verses:

    Luke 11:42 (NASB)
    “But woe to you Pharisees! For you pay tithes of mint, rue, and every kind of garden herb, and yet you ignore justice and the love of God; but these are the things you should have done without neglecting the others.​
    Here it is obvious our love for God is in view because "these are the things you should have done." Thus the verse should be translated "the love for God."
    John 5:42 (NASB)
    but I know you, that you do not have the love of God in yourselves.​
    Here the people addressed as "you" are rejecting Christ, thus they do not have actual love for God in themselves. Thus the verse should be translated "the love for God."
    Romans 5:5 (NASB)
    and hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out within our hearts through the Holy Spirit who was given to us.​
    Here it is not obvious which (or possibly both) meanings is intended. However, I believe the intended meaning, is God's love for us, reflects the most likely message. This translation choice still allows our resultant love fro God (we love Him because He first loved us) to be inferred.

    Romans 8:39 (NASB)
    nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.​
    Here God's love for us, as declared in John 3:16, is the intended message. Thus the verse should be translated "God's love for us" in Christ Jesus our Lord. Once saved, always saved!

    2 Corinthians13:14 (NASB)
    The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit, be with you all. ​
    Here, as we are the recipients of grace, love and fellowship from God, God love for us conveys the message. However to clarify the intended message we can add in "italics" manifest love. Thus the verse should be translated, "God's manifest love for us,"

    2 Thessalonians 3:5 (NASB)
    May the Lord direct your hearts to the love of God and to the perseverance of Christ.​
    Here the same difficulty arises as in Romans 5:5 (above) and the best answer seems the same. Thus the verse should be translated, "God's love for us."

    1 John 2:5
    but whoever follows His word, in him the love of God has truly been perfected. By this we know that we are in Him:​
    Here God's love for us is in view, and the term "perfected" refers to our having reciprocated with our love and commitment for God. Thus the verse should be translated, "God's love for us."

    1 John 3:17 (NASB)
    But whoever has worldly goods and sees his brother or sister in need, and closes his heart against him, how does the love of God "remain"in him? ​
    Here our love for God is absent, because if we love God, we would be committed to helping others, just as God helped us. However, the choice of "remain" is poor, suggesting the person once had a love for God, so the better choice is "abide" in him, because it is not there and the verse does not address whether it once was. Thus the verse should be translated, "the love for God."
    1 John 4:9 (NASB)
    By this the love of God was manifested in us, that God has sent His only Son into the world so that we may live through Him. ​
    Here God's love for us is manifested by our having eternal life. Thus the verse should be translated, "God's love for us."

    1 John 5:3 (NASB)
    For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments are not burdensome ​
    Here our love for God is in view. Thus the verse should be translated "the love for God."

    Jude 1:21 (NASB)
    keep yourselves in the love of God, looking forward to the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to eternal life. ​
    Here our action is in view. Thus the verse should be translated, "this love for God." Note here translation of the article "the" is changed to "this" to make the reference back to our actions in the previous verse clear.







     
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    1 John 2:15 (NASB)
    Do not love the world nor the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him.​

    Here we are told not to love the society of fallen humanity, not the resultant corruption in that fallen society. If anyone loves (agapao) the corruption of falllen humanity, then the Father's agapao love in not in him.

    So what is not in those who have reciprocated the Father's love? They do not love fleshly desires, they see them as sinful stumbling blocks. They do not love the treasures of this world because they seek the treasures of heaven. They have no pride in their character, they see themselves as wretched, and they keep striving to become more Christ-like.
     
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    1 John 2:15 (NASB)
    Do not love the world nor the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him.​

    Here we are told not to love the society of fallen humanity, nor the resultant corruption in that fallen society. If anyone loves (agapao) the corruption of falllen humanity, then the Father's agapao love in not in him.

    So what is not in those who have reciprocated the Father's love? They do not love fleshly desires, they see them as sinful stumbling blocks. They do not love the treasures of this world because they seek the treasures of heaven. They have no pride in their character, they see themselves as wretched, and they keep striving to become more Christ-like.

    [The duplicate post was needed to correct a typo.]
     
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