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The Mercy Seat

Discussion in '2003 Archive' started by Frogman, Apr 16, 2003.

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  1. Frogman

    Frogman <img src="http://www.churches.net/churches/fubc/Fr

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    Here is some more of what I believe...with Bible proofs.

    God Bless.
    Bro. Dallas [​IMG]

    THE MERCY SEAT (Exodus 25:17, 22)

    The Mercy Seat was the lid or covering on top of the Ark of the Covenant. Cf. Heb. 9:5. It was the place where the blood of the sacrifice was sprinkled to make atonement for the sinner. It was the place where justice and mercy met. The blood of the innocent on the mercy seat met the demands of the Law. It was the O. T. throne of grace.

    Christ is our Mercy Seat (Rom. 3:25; I Jn. 2:2; 4:10; Rom. 5:6, 8, 10). The "propitiation for our sins" is the turning away of wrath by an offering. God's justice is satisfied with the sacrifice of Jesus for our sins. He turns His own wrath away with His own blood. Our sins debt has now been paid in full. God's holiness is satisfied, and His wrath is turned away.
     
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  2. ScottEmerson

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    A few questions about the mercy seat of the OT. 1. Who sprinkled the blood?

    2. Who was the blood sprinkled for?

    3. Who received the forgiveness?
     
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    The Mercy Seat

    1 From every stormy wind that blows,
    From every swelling tide of woes,
    There is a calm, a sure retreat;
    'Tis found beneath the mercy-seat.

    2 There is a place where Jesus sheds
    The oil of gladness on our heads,
    A place than all beside more sweet;
    It is the blood-stained mercy-seat.

    3 There is a spot where spirits blend,
    And friend holds fellowship with friend;
    Though sundered far, by faith they meet
    Around one common mercy-seat.

    4 There, there on eagle-wing we soar,
    And time and sense seem all no more;
    And heaven comes down our souls to greet,
    And glory crowns the mercy-seat.

    One of my favorite old hymns in the church Mercy Seat. Here is an added verse that we sing that says it all.

    5 Ah! whither could we flee for aid,
    when tempted, desolate , dismayed?
    Or how the hosts of hell defeat,
    Had suffering saints no mercy-seat.

    Brother Glen [​IMG] & [​IMG] Sister Charlotte [​IMG]
     
    #3 tyndale1946, Apr 16, 2003
  4. Frogman

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    Originally Posted by ScottEmerson:
    I don't know, I was never in the Temple worship :D

    1. The High Priest sprinkled the blood. (Heb. 5.4; 9.7).

    2. Depends on the sacrifice, the day of atonement was national, while individual sacrifices were brought daily. (Heb. 9.25; 10.11)

    3. The offerer of the sacrifice received the forgiveness, but this was not in the full sense of the word as we use it today. (Heb. 9.23-28; 10.1-4; 11)

    God Bless.
    Bro. Dallas [​IMG]
     
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  5. Frogman

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    1 From every stormy wind that blows,
    From every swelling tide of woes,
    There is a calm, a sure retreat;
    'Tis found beneath the mercy-seat.

    Heb. 9.4: '...and the ark of the covenant overlaid round about with gold, (His eternal diety), wherein was the golden pot that had manna (the manifestation of God in the flesh; "I am the true bread which cometh down from heaven"; this golden pot represents the manhood of Christ and His eternal diety and is also recorded to be left in the holy of holies during the course of the year following the day of the atonement, this represents the current intercession of Christ who is in the presence of God Heb. 9.24; 8.1) and Aaron's rod that budded, (it is this rod which shows the choice of God upon Aaron as 'high-priest' before all of Israel; it is this rod that budded that also represents the humanity of Christ but also his diety, because it is by the power of the Spirit of Holiness that he does raise from the grave, thus, having life within himself (Rom 1.4 and John 10.17-18), and the tables of the covenant; (The Law of God, which is fulfilled by Christ; Matt. 5.17; and written in the hearts of His people (Heb. 8.10).


    God Bless.
    Bro. Dallas
     
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  6. ScottEmerson

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    And did he do it for himself or for the nation of Israel?

    On the day of atonement - or Yom Kippur as we know it now - didn't the high priest offer thte sacrifice on behalf of all the Jews?

    Agreed - but when the high priest was offering the sacrifice, who else did it apply to? Read Leviticus 16:15.

    Interestingly enough, the sacrifice was offered on behalf of all the Israelites, even though not all of them received forgiveness. I find that very interesting, especially when we consider that Jesus Christ is the mercy seat in the New Covenant. In the same manner, did he not offer the sacrifice for all, yet not all of them receive forgiveness?


    The Greek word for mercy seat is hilasterion, which can also be translated as "propitiation." It is the same word from I John that says that he is the propitiation for not our sins only, but for the entire world. Jesus Christ is the mercy seat for all people - Jews and Gentiles - and offered his sacrifice for all people. Those who choose to apply that sacrifice by believing that He is Lord are the ones whose sins are forgiven.

    I think this is an awfully interesting parallel. I await what people think here.
     
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  7. Ray Berrian

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    Scott Emmerson,

    You said: 'Those who choose to apply that sacrifice by believing that He is Lord are the ones whose sins are forgiven.'

    I agree with you statement above that His atonement has reached all sinners and is viable in both the Old and New Covenants. Note: The Israelites were given the option to receive the atonement, but God says, 'Choose life!' [Deuteronomy 30:19]

    Particular atonement is a hold-over from eroneous Reformation theology. God speaking though the youngest apostle said that the covering for sin has reached ' . . . our sins, and not ours only . . . {but some other people also}. ' . . . but also for the sins of the whole world.' God has wilfully made man responsible for his or her final salvation. Human responsibility toward the Lord God has always been the Divine plan for the ages. As I said before there will never be even one conscript in Heaven. No one gets there without activating his or her free will by receiving Christ personally. After hearing the Gospel God the Spirit offers a general call toward everyone. [Revelation 22:17] The Holy Spirit, the church and all who hear should say come to Jesus. I'm glad that I am still drinking at that fountain of free grace.
     
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    How could you stop drinking of that fountain?

    Bro. Dallas
     
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  9. Ray Berrian

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    Frogman,

    Good point! Even when we get to 'glory' we will still be thankful and worshipful of our Redeemer, Savior for the immensity of His grace.

    :cool:
     
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  10. Frogman

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    Bro. Ray,

    This post is in answer to your previous post which states that the Doctrines of Calvinism (Grace) are an erroneous hold-over from the Reformation, the following excerpt will show these same doctrine are as ancient as the Paulicians.

    Moderators, if you deem this post is more appropriate on the History forum I will feel no offense in your moving it; I almost placed it there myself, but I figured those to whom it is speaking would fail to go there to read it; if I am out of order, forgive me for my error.

    The above quote is taken from Baptists in All Ages by Elder J.S. Newman, it shows without a doubt that the doctrines so commonly associated with Calvin did not begin with him, but that he learned them elsewhere. I have heard he was taught them from a Baptist preacher; concerning this I do not know, but I would not doubt it either.

    {Just for the sake of being able to say you have read a fair, balanced and true history of the Christian Church apart and free from the humanistic bias of man's philosophies you can find this article at www.primitivebaptist.org (select drop down menu and go to J.S. Newman) This is also a wonderful source for other sound histories and doctrine of the church.)

    God Bless.
    Bro. Dallas
     
    #10 Frogman, Apr 16, 2003
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