The Origins of Political Order.

Borneol · Jun 9, 2011

Thought this was an interesting comment about the historical nature of the church in creating western society.

http://isteve.blogspot.com/2011/06/hbd-chick-v-francis-fukuyama.html

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hbd chick expands my rebuttal to Fukuyama into a General Theory of the West:
No, being tribal is not necessarily the natural state of affairs, but it IS biologically driven. as is being non-tribal.
Europeans used to be tribal, but that's because they used to marry their cousins, too, just like the afghanis or iraqis or saudis or libyans of today. the church put an end to all that and then some -- it also put an end to all sorts of endogamous practices like polygamy and marrying your dead brother's wife. first- and second-cousin marriage was banned in 506 a.d., and by the 11th century the church had banned marriage up to SIXTH cousins.
This forced exogamy resulted in, as steve describes it, "broad but shallow regional blood ties." almost all of european (and western) history hinges on these loose genetic ties. the whole evolution of european societies from tribes to city-states (think of the venices and the hamburgs of europe) to the nationalistic movements -- this was made possible because extended family ties were continually loosened over centuries of european history (from the fall of rome onwards). the broadening of political structures (tribe, city-state, national-state) mirrors the underlying broadening of the genetic ties.
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billwald · Jun 10, 2011

People want to be rules by their own "kind" of people. The history of the US demonstrates that "taxation with representation" is pragmatically no different than "taxation without representation." The US only demonstrates that people are more content when they vote for their tax collector. The closest "kind" of people are those related by blood, then by marriage and etc.

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