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The Outrage Continues, A Judge Steps In

Discussion in '2008 Archive' started by Martin, Jan 30, 2007.

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  1. Martin

    Martin Active Member

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    This is an outrage. Two guys beat another guy to the point of passing out and needing surgery and the only thing some people are worried about is the future schooling these two guys will not get to attend? Just as bad several Ministers and professors say that the two people who beat this guy are "upstanding"! Can you believe that? I can't!

    I am sorry but when someone beats another human being to the point where they pass out and then revives that person so they can do it again they lose the right to be refered to as upstanding. I don't care if they are 23/25 years old and I don't care what the context. These thugs are not upstanding and shame on those "ministers" (quote, unquote) who said they are. The victims father said that his son was not the victim of hazing but rather the victim of torture. And from the account given I agree.

    What is just as bad is that the defense attorney, no doubt using the Bill OReilly method of blaming the victim, said the victim was a "willing participant" of his own torture. Of course this vile excuse ignores the fact that a person cannot walk away when they are being beat to the point of losing consciousness. The only thing that prevented that attorney from using that vile defense is there is a law against it.

    Then, and get this, the guy who actuallly did the beating asked the judge to go easy on him because he grew up without a father and wanted to be a good father to his son. I am glad the judge ignored this lame excuse as well. Growing up without a father is no excuse for what this guy did. He should have thought about his own son before he proceeded to beat another human being. I am glad the judge ignored all of his lame excuses and I hope, and pray, that she throws the book at him (5 yrs).

    I am amazed at how many people are willing to over-look bad behavior on the part of other people. No, I take that back, I am not amazed I am sickened.

    This case provides a good example of a judge who is doing the right thing. Let's hear it for this judge :applause:

    LINK
     
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  2. Bro. Curtis

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    This guy was an idiot. From the link....

    ....found guilty of striking prospective member Marcus Jones, 20, of Decatur, Georgia, with a wooden cane so severely during four nights of initiation rites that he underwent surgery for bruising to his buttocks....

    These guys deserve public service, not jail. This is a shame.
     
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  3. Martin

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    ==I like what the judge said;

    "I want to save the victims who will quietly go along because they want to belong,"

    It does not matter if the beatings, in question, took place on all four nights or on just one night. Let's not forget that the victim here was beat until he passed out. At that point another guy revived him and then the beatings continued. That is criminal assault. These guys should go to jail for five years (more if allowed). Nobody has the right to hurt another human being and law enforcement should make sure that those who do are punished harshly. The fact that these monsters thought this was the correct way to perform an initiation is frightening.
     
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    They were sentenced to two years. Assault isn't serious in our society. What would be more serious is, if these fine lads decided to be pastors and not withhold taxes for employees/ministers. Now you'd be talking about a real crime and that kind of heinousness would get 5 times the penalty.:rolleyes:
     
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    Like my mom said, "if they jumped off a bridge, would you want to as well ?

    After working with adolescent sex offendors, your definition of monster is pretty harsh. And they aren't as frightening as the MORONs who subject themselves to it. This guy is an idiot, and those other guys don't belong in jail.
     
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    I'm with Curtis on this one.

    Personal responsibility goes both ways. The hitters and the hit-ees share equal culpability.
     
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    I see, the hittee can do the same time the hitters do, eh ? Sounds good to me.
     
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    "My client's a moron, that's not against the law." - Kaffee played by Tom Cruise in A Few Good Men​
     
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    Maybe the hitters do community service, and the hit-ees get lessons in "how not to be a mO-ron."
     
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    four different nights, why did he stick around for nights 2-4?
     
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    He's a s-l-o-w----l-e-a-r-n-e-r!
     
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    seems like it
     
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    My guess is that the sadism escalated over the nights and that he was not severely beaten the first three. The hazing was probably supposed to last a whole week.
     
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    Why did he stick around for 4 nights of abuse?

    I can't speak for him. Possibly, Daisy is right is thinking that the stupidity escalated, but we can't even say that with positive knowledge.

    I think that all of us understand the pressure that some collegians have in joining fraternities and sororities. It's so sad that young men will endure physical abuse and young women will endure social humiliations just to "belong". It's sick, sick, sick!

    Why did he stick around.....I think he feared something worse than the pain and beating and passing out. He feared being an outcast on campus. These organizations can torment their pledges for a week or two, but they can also torment other students on campus for years who are not members of their organization.

    I belonged to a sorority, but we never hazed anyone. In fact, we "let" the pledges kidnap the senior sisters once a semester and make them go to breakfast in a public restaurant in their pajamas! If you were a senior sister, you knew to keep a decent pair of pajamas and a modest housecoat handy because you never know that actual date of the kidnapping. :applause: :laugh:

    I understand the need for bonding, but I will never understand the sick craving to impart life-altering pain and humiliation on other people just so they can be called your brother or sister.

    I think that this young man who was beaten should never receive any type of monetary compensation because of his voluntary participation, however his voluntary participation does not make what those other two young men did less heinous.

    In fact, what are 23 and 25 year old young men still doing in college and still hanging out with 18-20 year olds?
     
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    Why does anyone stay in an abusive relationship that may last for years? In the college case, the victim knew that there would be an end to the initiation period. In spousal abuse or child abuse, the victim can usually only hope there will be an end. In all of these cases there is a psychological aspect (usually involving control) to the abuse. The victim has been offered some sort of formula for stopping the abuse, but the formula cannot be met, or the abuser changes the formula. I'm surprised at the positions taken by many of you against the victim. Scarlett is correct. This young man will very likely be the object of verbal hazing by other students because he is "responsible" for these other students being sent to jail. This is one of the sicker aspects of our society.

    Tim Reynolds
     
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    I agree with the judge's decision. The participant should not have subjected himself to the abuse, but it was still abuse.
     
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    Is it possible that leaving is worse than staying?
     
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    ==While I agree with you that the victim in this case is certainly not the brightest bulb in the bunch we are going to still disagree over the correct punishment for the two guys found guilty in his beating. Being stupid does not give someone the right to do what these two guys did.
     
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    ==I thought this as well. After all the guy did need surgery to repair the damage to his backside. I doubt that was done on nights 1 thru 3. The events described seem so harsh that they had to have been done on night 4. While I do admit that this victim may not be the brightest in the bunch, after all if people are beating you up why do you keep going back, it still does not excuse what these guys did to him. Assault is assault. The fact that the victim maybe a bit dense is no defense nor cause for leniency. These guys should be locked up for a long time.
     
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    ==That was the point made by the judge in this case. It is not only sick it is sad.



    ==I never joined a fraternity when I was in college and I was never tormented by anyone who was a member of a fraternity. However I was aware of the fact that such things did go on. I also was aware that some of my fellow students would do almost anything to get into one of those groups. I heard some stories but, I promise you, nothing like what this poor guy went through.

    Personally I would have left the first time someone hit me with something. I am just not going to sit around and let someone hit me, period. So I think anyone who would go through anything like this, simply to join a group, is a bit odd.


    ==I don't know but I can't imagine bonding with anyone who thought it would be funny to cause me physical pain. I might come to think of them as my enemy, but never my friend. So I don't understand the mindset here at all.



    ==My point exactly. :thumbs:



    ==I don't know. I don't recall if the story stated when the event(s) occured. It may have been several years ago since one of these guys was on his second trial.
     
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