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I do not understand that question. Would you mind explaining it more to me?
As a young Christian I was taught and believed that certain gift of the Spirit stopped "when that which is perfect (some read 'complete) comes.the perfect, or complete, they said, was the Bible. One time just for personal Bible study I began looking up other scriptures where the word translated 'perfect' 'complete' was used. I was surprised that not a single one had anything remotely resembling or pointing to the meaning of that word is the Bible. None of the texts hinted at the Bible. The word used in the context of each passage did not point to the Bible as the meaning. Now I would say that regardless of any connection of this word and those certain gifts of the Spirit there is no place when the 'perfect' 'complete' can be said to be speaking of the Bible.Thus my question :Can someone(simply, plainly, without assumption, or "it sounds like it does" show me where the Bible says 'the perfect' in 1 Corinthians 13:10 (or anywhere for that matter) is the Bible? Thank you for asking, Moriah
I should have known that the supposedly kind request from you to use my words were really to try to use them against me.
Nevertheless, I will show you from scripture that the scripture when completeness or perfection comes is not about the Lord coming. Where in the Bible are you getting it where it simply and plainly says it is about Jesus coming? I will await your answer.
Now, is it about the Bible being completed? Is the perfect or completion about the Bible?
Tell me simply and plainly yes or no…can you add prophecies to the Bible? Tell me why you cannot.
As for the statement in 1 Corinthians 13:10, “but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears”, or as in other translations, “but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears “nowadays tongue speakers claim that tongue speaking and prophecies will not cease until Jesus comes again. How do they ever get that when “completion” comes it means Jesus?
That scripture does not say prophecies will stop when Jesus comes again. It is about prophecies and completion.
The prophets in the Old Testament prophesied about Jesus, and prophets in the New Testament prophesied about our salvation. This is what Paul says, “…where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. For we know in part and we prophesy in part, but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears.” The “in part” part is about prophecies, so how does one logically claim prophecies turns into the literal coming of the Lord?
Speaking in tongues were a gift given from the Holy Spirit during the laying of the foundation see Hebrews 2:1-4. They ceased when after the foundation was laid.
When you only have prophesy in part, because the prophecy has not yet been fulfilled, or more prophecy is needed, it is imperfect, it is incomplete, it is imperfect and incomplete because the prophesy is in “part” or not yet fulfilled. However, when there is fulfillment of prophecy or more prophecy for what we need to know, then we have full understanding, so then, it is perfect and, that which is perfect is come.
The Old Testament believers waited a long time for God to reveal Jesus to us. From the Bible, we see that God has revealed Jesus. The Bible has everything we need to know for salvation. It is perfect it is complete.
So, you would like to know where the Bible simply and plainly says "the perfect," it is in James. The New Testament is “the perfect” law given to us, James 1:25. The perfect law is completely revealed to us in the New Testament. The apostles from the New Testament received all the truth we need to guide us to eternal life, and they wrote this down in the Scriptures: John 16:13; 2 Peter 1:3; Acts 20:20, 27; Matthew 28:20; I Corinthians 14:37; 2 Timothy 3:16, 17; Romans 16:25-27.
Before I get to where I can't respond would you do something? Concerning my post. While i take some medication. Can you answer my question and show me where the Bible says 'the perfect' in 1 Corinthians 13:10 is the Bible?
I'm sorry moriah i just now saw the James 1:25 verse. Thank you. I will be back.
I should have known that the supposedly kind request from you to use my words were really to try to use them against me.
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I should have known that the supposedly kind request from you to use my words were really to try to use them against me.
fortytworc : I'll admit I've not been here at BB very long, but to the best of my knowledge I have always treated you with kindness, honesty and respect. My plan is to continue in that. If you believe I have actually treated you disrespectfully tell me that's how you feel Then maybe it could at least be out of our way.
Moriah : Nevertheless, I will show you from scripture that the scripture when completeness or perfection comes is not about the Lord coming. Where in the Bible are you getting it where it simply and plainly says it is about Jesus coming? I will await your answer.
fortytworc : I cannot find anything in my question that says anything about Jesus coming, so I cannot respond to that unless you can point out to me where I said anything like it.
Moriah : Now, is it about the Bible being completed? Is the perfect or completion about the Bible?
fortytworc : No the perfect is not about the Bible. It is about His Body becoming mature. That is what the 'perfect' is. His mature Completed, Grown up body.
MoriahTell me simply and plainly yes or no…can you add prophecies to the Bible? Tell me why you cannot.
fortytworc : No, I cannot. I do not believe that scripture is still being written. Even if it were, I do not have a prophetic gift.
As for the statement in 1 Corinthians 13:10, “but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears”, or as in other translations, “but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears “nowadays tongue speakers claim that tongue speaking and prophecies will not cease until Jesus comes again. How do they ever get that when “completion” comes it means Jesus?
That scripture does not say prophecies will stop when Jesus comes again. It is about prophecies and completion.
The prophets in the Old Testament prophesied about Jesus, and prophets in the New Testament prophesied about our salvation. This is what Paul says, “…where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. For we know in part and we prophesy in part, but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears.” The “in part” part is about prophecies, so how does one logically claim prophecies turns into the literal coming of the Lord?
I do not agree with whoever said those things.
Speaking in tongues were a gift given from the Holy Spirit during the laying of the foundation see Hebrews 2:1-4. They ceased when after the foundation was laid.
When you only have prophesy in part, because the prophecy has not yet been fulfilled, or more prophecy is needed, it is imperfect, it is incomplete, it is imperfect and incomplete because the prophesy is in “part” or not yet fulfilled. However, when there is fulfillment of prophecy or more prophecy for what we need to know, then we have full understanding, so then, it is perfect and, that which is perfect is come.
The Old Testament believers waited a long time for God to reveal Jesus to us. From the Bible, we see that God has revealed Jesus. The Bible has everything we need to know for salvation. It is perfect it is complete.
So, you would like to know where the Bible simply and plainly says "the perfect," it is in James. The New Testament is “the perfect” law given to us, James 1:25. The perfect law is completely revealed to us in the New Testament. The apostles from the New Testament received all the truth we need to guide us to eternal life, and they wrote this down in the Scriptures: John 16:13; 2 Peter 1:3; Acts 20:20, 27; Matthew 28:20; I Corinthians 14:37; 2 Timothy 3:16, 17; Romans 16:25-27.
Rough morning. Doing my best at this timeI should have known that the supposedly kind request from you to use my words were really to try to use them against me.
Moriah Quote:
Originally Posted by Moriah View Post
I should have known that the supposedly kind request from you to use my words were really to try to use them against me.
fortytworc : I'll admit I've not been here at BB very long, but to the best of my knowledge I have always treated you with kindness, honesty and respect. My plan is to continue in that. If you believe I have actually treated you disrespectfully tell me that's how you feel Then maybe it could at least be out of our way.
Moriah : Nevertheless, I will show you from scripture that the scripture when completeness or perfection comes is not about the Lord coming. Where in the Bible are you getting it where it simply and plainly says it is about Jesus coming? I will await your answer.
fortytworc : I cannot find anything in my question that says anything about Jesus coming, so I cannot respond to that unless you can point out to me where I said anything like it.
Moriah : Now, is it about the Bible being completed? Is the perfect or completion about the Bible?
fortytworc : No the perfect is not about the Bible. It is about His Body becoming mature. That is what the 'perfect' is. His mature Completed, Grown up body.
MoriahTell me simply and plainly yes or no…can you add prophecies to the Bible? Tell me why you cannot.
fortytworc : No, I cannot. I do not believe that scripture is still being written. Even if it were, I do not have a prophetic gift.
As for the statement in 1 Corinthians 13:10, “but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears”, or as in other translations, “but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears “nowadays tongue speakers claim that tongue speaking and prophecies will not cease until Jesus comes again. How do they ever get that when “completion” comes it means Jesus?
That scripture does not say prophecies will stop when Jesus comes again. It is about prophecies and completion.
The prophets in the Old Testament prophesied about Jesus, and prophets in the New Testament prophesied about our salvation. This is what Paul says, “…where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. For we know in part and we prophesy in part, but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears.” The “in part” part is about prophecies, so how does one logically claim prophecies turns into the literal coming of the Lord?
I do not agree with whoever said those things.
Speaking in tongues were a gift given from the Holy Spirit during the laying of the foundation see Hebrews 2:1-4. They ceased when after the foundation was laid.
When you only have prophesy in part, because the prophecy has not yet been fulfilled, or more prophecy is needed, it is imperfect, it is incomplete, it is imperfect and incomplete because the prophesy is in “part” or not yet fulfilled. However, when there is fulfillment of prophecy or more prophecy for what we need to know, then we have full understanding, so then, it is perfect and, that which is perfect is come.
The Old Testament believers waited a long time for God to reveal Jesus to us. From the Bible, we see that God has revealed Jesus. The Bible has everything we need to know for salvation. It is perfect it is complete.
So, you would like to know where the Bible simply and plainly says "the perfect," it is in James. The New Testament is “the perfect” law given to us, James 1:25. The perfect law is completely revealed to us in the New Testament. The apostles from the New Testament received all the truth we need to guide us to eternal life, and they wrote this down in the Scriptures: John 16:13; 2 Peter 1:3; Acts 20:20, 27; Matthew 28:20; I Corinthians 14:37; 2 Timothy 3:16, 17; Romans 16:25-27.
Can someone show me where the Bible says 'the perfect' in 1 Corinthians 13:10 is the Bible? The scripture used as support should say it simply and plainly, it should not merely sound like it or be an assumption, but a clear and direct statement.
I borrowed this format for this post from another post with their OK I liked the simplicity of it.
It is a good question and cannot be proven.
MoriahRough morning. Doing my best at this time
This is the perfect law of liberty. It is the Way we live as a result of being set free. It is not the old Testament nor the Mosaic law. It is the liberty into which we look and become acquainted with in order to live, walk, and experience the freedom He purchased for us. This law of liberty, it could be said is one way, or process that helps us to mature.Thanks for your patience as this morning has slowed me down and helped me to make some extra mistakes
Can someone show me where the Bible says 'the perfect' in 1 Corinthians 13:10 is the Bible? The scripture used as support should say it simply and plainly, it should not merely sound like it or be an assumption, but a clear and direct statement.
I borrowed this format for this post from another post with their OK I liked the simplicity of it.
That is the belief of many who believe they are speaking in tongues and go to a church where they believe they can prophesize.I cannot find anything in my question that says anything about Jesus coming, so I cannot respond to that unless you can point out to me where I said anything like it.
No, it is not about His body becoming mature. If it were about that, then that would be to claim that the Bible is not yet finished and that we do not yet know everything for salvation.No the perfect is not about the Bible. It is about His Body becoming mature. That is what the 'perfect' is. His mature Completed, Grown up body.
No, you cannot add to the Bible, it is finished, complete, and perfect. So, why do you not accept the fact that prophecies and tongues has ceased? Prophecies and tongues were for laying the foundation. The foundation has been laid. You said you do not have a prophetic gift, but do you believe in someone who claims to have a prophetic gift? Are you doing something you believe in speaking in tongues?No, I cannot. I do not believe that scripture is still being written. Even if it were, I do not have a prophetic gift.
It is about the Bible. It is about everything we know for salvation being written down.That scripture does not say prophecies will stop when Jesus comes again. It is about prophecies and completion.
I said those things. How do you not agree with the fact that the whole Old Testament is about pointing us to Christ? How do you not agree that the whole New Testament is about our salvation? You are wrong to disagree.I do not agree with whoever said those things.