The Preaching I Was Raised Under

[Bro. Kevin]

Below is a link to a page with recordings of the type of old-fashioned southern preaching I was raised under. I thought it may be a help and blessing to someone and decided to share. Every recording has an introduction by Bro. Johnny (aka Johnny the Baptist)a great song by a choir or solo, and then the preaching. I would highly recommend all of the Ed Ballew recordings. Bro. Ed is an old preacher, my personal hero, and he was recently diagnosed with cancer so please be in prayer for him. As Bro. Johnny says on one of his introductions, Bro. Ed preaches it like it is. He doesn't sugar coat anything, just preaches the gospel. Also, The Colonel, Bro. Billy Kelly, Ralph Sexton Sr., and Jr., and then....there's Bro. Maze Jackson and Bro. C.L. Roach. These two men (as well as The Colonel) have gone on to be with the Lord. Bro Maze just plain gets after it. He is one of the most God used men I know of. And C.L. Roach is something special. I've never heard any man who has as much knoweledge of the Bible, and typology and theology as Bro. C.L. I have a tape of him preaching on the Unpardonable Sin and a series on "The Precious Blood." If you could sit down and listen to a few of his tapes, you'd know what I mean. All of these recordings were made in the early to mid 70's - but the quality is good.

As a matter of fact, I'll include a second link with preaching from Joe Arthur, Stinnet Ballew, Sammy Allen, Buster Seaton, Burman Cape, and some great singing.

God Bless, and enjoy!

The First Described
http://www.johnnythebaptist.org/campmeeting/CampMeeting.html

The Second Described
http://wayofthecrossbaptistchurch.com/TYJ.htm

 

[rlvaughn]

Kevin, thanks for the links. Right now I'm listening to S. M. Lockridge and he's beginning to rise to a musical rhythmic level. I picked his message because I've heard a tape of him before - "Seven Ducks in Muddy Water."

 

[tyndale1946]

The preaching I was raised under is Primitive Baptist and to me for some good old God honoring preaching listen to some of our brethren. Then if someone ask you have you ever heard of the Primitive Baptist you can say I heard one preach via the internet one time and this is some of what they believe!... Brother Glen

http://www.tidewaterpbc.com/audio.html

 

[Bro. Kevin]

You're very welcome, and I'll give the Primitive Baptist sermons a listen as soon as possible. Thanks!

 

[Jim1999]

What branch of the Baptist Church are they from? Wife asked why I was listening to Ernest Angely preaching. I recognized the Primitive Baptist.

Interesting though.

Cheers,

Jim

 

[massdak]

Originally posted by Bro. Kevin:
Below is a link to a page with recordings of the type of old-fashioned southern preaching I was raised under. I thought it may be a help and blessing to someone and decided to share. Every recording has an introduction by Bro. Johnny (aka Johnny the Baptist)a great song by a choir or solo, and then the preaching. I would highly recommend all of the Ed Ballew recordings. Bro. Ed is an old preacher, my personal hero, and he was recently diagnosed with cancer so please be in prayer for him. As Bro. Johnny says on one of his introductions, Bro. Ed preaches it like it is. He doesn't sugar coat anything, just preaches the gospel. Also, The Colonel, Bro. Billy Kelly, Ralph Sexton Sr., and Jr., and then....there's Bro. Maze Jackson and Bro. C.L. Roach. These two men (as well as The Colonel) have gone on to be with the Lord. Bro Maze just plain gets after it. He is one of the most God used men I know of. And C.L. Roach is something special. I've never heard any man who has as much knoweledge of the Bible, and typology and theology as Bro. C.L. I have a tape of him preaching on the Unpardonable Sin and a series on "The Precious Blood." If you could sit down and listen to a few of his tapes, you'd know what I mean. All of these recordings were made in the early to mid 70's - but the quality is good.

As a matter of fact, I'll include a second link with preaching from Joe Arthur, Stinnet Ballew, Sammy Allen, Buster Seaton, Burman Cape, and some great singing.

God Bless, and enjoy!

The First Described
http://www.johnnythebaptist.org/campmeeting/CampMeeting.html

The Second Described
http://wayofthecrossbaptistchurch.com/TYJ.htm

i am sorry, i am not trying to berate your enthusiasm for certain preachers, but i have listened to preachers that people tend to say they "tell it like it is". i find that the preaching is emotional filled through the suave and elegant ability to have a personal presence to evoke a thunderous type sermon, it is true passion they have. but the apostle paul used none of this in fact he played down his own personal persuasiveness all glory and credit went to the Lord not the so call tell it like it is preacher.
i will listen to the site for more comment if i suspect what i seem to perceive.

1Cr 2:4   And my speech and my preaching [was] not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:
 
  1Cr 2:5   That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.

 

[Bro. Kevin]

Perhaps you should listen to them first, hm?

And out of curiosity, where do you get that Bro. Ballew is trying to give glory to himself? I find that remarkable when you haven't even heard the man? Bro. Ed is one of, if not the most humble men I've ever heard or met. You need to know that preaching down here is alot different than the way it is in Ohio if you've heard so many "tell it like it is" preachers that you can make such a generalization, and an insulting one at that.

[ January 20, 2003, 11:54 AM: Message edited by: Bro. Kevin ]

 

[massdak]

Originally posted by Bro. Kevin:
Perhaps you should listen to them first, hm?

And out of curiosity, where do you get that Bro. Ballew is trying to give glory to himself? I find that remarkable when you haven't even heard the man? Bro. Ed is one of, if not the most humble men I've ever heard or met. You need to know that preaching down here is alot different than the way it is in Ohio if you've heard so many "tell it like it is" preachers that you can make such a generalization, and an insulting one at that.

well i did listen to some of the
http://wayofthecrossbaptistchurch.com/TYJ.htm
site before i posted to you the first time.
quickly what concerned me was the introduction of how great a man this preacher is, it noted that he would go down in history as one of Gods greatest man of this time, he goes farther to say this man (preacher) in his opinion would touch peoples heart in a way greater then any other man could. or something to that effect. i see this as a non biblical and over zealous toward the man then the sole power of Gods gospel. i would be suspect of a sermon that praised how only one specially used man is for the edification of any preaching. i am sorry my critique is negative. but i believe what i have listened to so far at that site is full of error. remember this is not the north / south division of who preaches the best. and i am sure you are an expert on judging humility.

 

[rlvaughn]

Thanks for your link also, Glen. While on right now I am starting "Closed Communion and Commission to Go" by Ed Kirkpatrick.

 

[Jim1999]

I am English and have a completely different style to the great Southern preachers, but this is not to say I don't appreciate their style. It takes some getting used to, but sound none-the-less and I should not be critical of that. Lord knows, you all might not appreciate my formal, reserved style of preaching. Prim and proper, you know...

I still remember the great Texan preacher, Harvey Springer and his famous sermon on Jonah where he grasps the seat of his trousers and coat collar and thrusts himself over the pulpit. Quite a shocker to this old Englishman, but he got the message across quite effectively.

Cheers,

Jim

 

[Angie Miller]

Originally posted by Jim1999:
I am English and have a completely different style to the great Southern preachers, but this is not to say I don't appreciate their style. It takes some getting used to, but sound none-the-less and I should not be critical of that. Lord knows, you all might not appreciate my formal, reserved style of preaching. Prim and proper, you know...

I still remember the great Texan preacher, Harvey Springer and his famous sermon on Jonah where he grasps the seat of his trousers and coat collar and thrusts himself over the pulpit. Quite a shocker to this old Englishman, but he got the message across quite effectively.

Cheers,

Jim

COOL I wish we had a Preacher like that!

 

[massdak]

Originally posted by massdak:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Bro. Kevin:
Perhaps you should listen to them first, hm?

And out of curiosity, where do you get that Bro. Ballew is trying to give glory to himself? I find that remarkable when you haven't even heard the man? Bro. Ed is one of, if not the most humble men I've ever heard or met. You need to know that preaching down here is alot different than the way it is in Ohio if you've heard so many "tell it like it is" preachers that you can make such a generalization, and an insulting one at that.

well i did listen to some of the
http://wayofthecrossbaptistchurch.com/TYJ.htm
site before i posted to you the first time.
quickly what concerned me was the introduction of how great a man this preacher is, it noted that he would go down in history as one of Gods greatest man of this time, he goes farther to say this man (preacher) in his opinion would touch peoples heart in a way greater then any other man could. or something to that effect. i see this as a non biblical and over zealous toward the man then the sole power of Gods gospel. i would be suspect of a sermon that praised how only one specially used man is for the edification of any preaching. i am sorry my critique is negative. but i believe what i have listened to so far at that site is full of error. remember this is not the north / south division of who preaches the best. and i am sure you are an expert on judging humility.</font>[/QUOTE]just one more comment first i am sorry to hear he has cancer i will pray for him. i have now reviewed some of the preaching of Ed Ballew i was discouraged to hear on one of his sermons a belittling reference toward a minority race, i am not sure it boarders on racism, but makes me even more suspect of the value of his preaching. again i am not saying all of his sermons are bad or every part of them, but it is healthy to review and to balance it always against Gods word as even the bereans did. you do not need to rely on just good ole fashion southern preaching. but good authentic gospel preaching no matter if from north south east or west.
massdak

 

[Dr. Bob]

Goes to show the differences among our experiences.

I was raised under the ministry of Dr. R.V. Clearwaters, at Fourth Baptist in Minneapolis. It had 1000 members, 90% of whom had college degrees and most of them graduate education. It was host to Central Seminary, with 20 earned doctorates on staff and 200 grad students.

His messages were at such a level of academic, rhetorical, grammar and polemics that it pushed me into learning and growing. His illustrations were NOT about a coon dog, but about Hector and Lysander at Thermopolyae, from Shakespear and great literature.

His sermons were rooted in systematic theology, Greek and Hebrew, and shrewd application and insights into history, fundamentalism, and modern culture.

I, too, am a product of my training. And justifiably proud of that.

 

[massdak]

Could you imagine massdak amongst all those intellectuals and academia, mix that with my grammar problems and rough around the edges sense of humor, Lord i would have probably been churched outta there.

[ January 25, 2003, 04:53 PM: Message edited by: Dr. Bob Griffin ]

 

[rlvaughn]

Originally posted by Dr. Bob Griffin:
His illustrations were NOT about a coon dog, but about Hector and Lysander at Thermopolyae, from Shakespeare and great literature...

Just remember that an illustration about a coon dog might go over the heads of some, just as one about Hector and Lysander at Thermopolyae goes over the heads of others.

 

[tyndale1946]

First of all I was raised under the sing song style of preaching... The use of amen again and again is not what I am use to but then again... I've heard ham... humpth... and a variety of words to break up preaching once the holy spirit takes hold. I guess it is a breather once the minister has fire in his bones. I've also heard a type of preaching that the PB's have called the gospel bells... The only one I know that had this gift was Elder Troy McCarty who is now with the Lord.

I have seen black brethen preaching as they danced around the church shaking hand with the front row of the congregation and then some. Most of the white brethren in this part of the country stand still and give their exhortation from the stand... Guess they don't want to put on airs so to speak... Then again how excited are we suppose to be in church?... are we suppose to be as excited as those who watch their favorite teams participate in sports. Isn't your eternal salvation cause to raise the roof in joy? No I'm Baptist don't want to draw attention to myself

Then again are not we Baptist... Don't want to be accused if I get excited of being Pentecostal or maybe some other religion where they express for all to see what they believe. I believe if I'm not mistaken that Gina coined the term Bapticostal... You know I wish I were more open in my expression of worship and more Bapticostal. I envy those Black Primitive Baptist Brethren who can let it all hang out and know that the only one that matters is not looking to the expession of joy only but to their heart. Sometimes when I attend the black brethren I too get caught up in their joy... I guess to be truthful I've had the best of both worlds that few ever see or hear

... Brother Glen

 

[Bro. Kevin]

Originally posted by massdak:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by massdak:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Bro. Kevin:
Perhaps you should listen to them first, hm?

And out of curiosity, where do you get that Bro. Ballew is trying to give glory to himself? I find that remarkable when you haven't even heard the man? Bro. Ed is one of, if not the most humble men I've ever heard or met. You need to know that preaching down here is alot different than the way it is in Ohio if you've heard so many "tell it like it is" preachers that you can make such a generalization, and an insulting one at that.

well i did listen to some of the
http://wayofthecrossbaptistchurch.com/TYJ.htm
site before i posted to you the first time.
quickly what concerned me was the introduction of how great a man this preacher is, it noted that he would go down in history as one of Gods greatest man of this time, he goes farther to say this man (preacher) in his opinion would touch peoples heart in a way greater then any other man could. or something to that effect. i see this as a non biblical and over zealous toward the man then the sole power of Gods gospel. i would be suspect of a sermon that praised how only one specially used man is for the edification of any preaching. i am sorry my critique is negative. but i believe what i have listened to so far at that site is full of error. remember this is not the north / south division of who preaches the best. and i am sure you are an expert on judging humility.</font>[/QUOTE]just one more comment first i am sorry to hear he has cancer i will pray for him. i have now reviewed some of the preaching of Ed Ballew i was discouraged to hear on one of his sermons a belittling reference toward a minority race, i am not sure it boarders on racism, but makes me even more suspect of the value of his preaching. again i am not saying all of his sermons are bad or every part of them, but it is healthy to review and to balance it always against Gods word as even the bereans did. you do not need to rely on just good ole fashion southern preaching. but good authentic gospel preaching no matter if from north south east or west.
massdak</font>[/QUOTE]What you need to understand is that this was in the early 70's, in Georgia, where people were raised saying the word you are referring to, not as an insult, again, something you would be un aware of unless you were down here. And thank you for yuor prayers.

Edit: The late reply is because I have been sick.

[ January 25, 2003, 02:52 AM: Message edited by: Bro. Kevin ]

 

[Monergist]

Bro. Kevin,

I too spent a few years under this style of preaching. Some of the preachers on your link I've heard in person, others on tape.

I still love to hear Vance Havner. But I've grown disillusioned with the style and substance of some of the others. For one thing, "telling it like it is" sometimes borders on being mean-spirited. For example, I've got a tape in my car of Dr. Phil Kidd who states that Southern Baptists aren't saved, refers to a lady in the congregation as a "mean hag" and brags that if his wife were to disagree with his type of preaching that she would find her "teeth in the toilet." Then I also find that the revivalist style somewhat lacking in depth--and accuracy.

I don't doubt that many of these guys love the Lord. Most of my family (my side anyway) and many close friends are hard-core old-fashioned. I guess that to a large degree I've left my roots. Today I love expository preaching. And I embrace the doctrines of grace.

There is an "old-fashioned" style that I tend to identify with now; it goes back beyond the camp meetings and revivals that we usually associate with the term. I've come to love the Puritans.

 

[massdak]

Originally posted by Bro. Kevin:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by massdak:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by massdak:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Bro. Kevin:
Perhaps you should listen to them first, hm?

And out of curiosity, where do you get that Bro. Ballew is trying to give glory to himself? I find that remarkable when you haven't even heard the man? Bro. Ed is one of, if not the most humble men I've ever heard or met. You need to know that preaching down here is alot different than the way it is in Ohio if you've heard so many "tell it like it is" preachers that you can make such a generalization, and an insulting one at that.

well i did listen to some of the
http://wayofthecrossbaptistchurch.com/TYJ.htm
site before i posted to you the first time.
quickly what concerned me was the introduction of how great a man this preacher is, it noted that he would go down in history as one of Gods greatest man of this time, he goes farther to say this man (preacher) in his opinion would touch peoples heart in a way greater then any other man could. or something to that effect. i see this as a non biblical and over zealous toward the man then the sole power of Gods gospel. i would be suspect of a sermon that praised how only one specially used man is for the edification of any preaching. i am sorry my critique is negative. but i believe what i have listened to so far at that site is full of error. remember this is not the north / south division of who preaches the best. and i am sure you are an expert on judging humility.</font>[/QUOTE]just one more comment first i am sorry to hear he has cancer i will pray for him. i have now reviewed some of the preaching of Ed Ballew i was discouraged to hear on one of his sermons a belittling reference toward a minority race, i am not sure it boarders on racism, but makes me even more suspect of the value of his preaching. again i am not saying all of his sermons are bad or every part of them, but it is healthy to review and to balance it always against Gods word as even the bereans did. you do not need to rely on just good ole fashion southern preaching. but good authentic gospel preaching no matter if from north south east or west.
massdak</font>[/QUOTE]What you need to understand is that this was in the early 70's, in Georgia, where people were raised saying the word you are referring to, not as an insult, again, something you would be un aware of unless you were down here. And thank you for yuor prayers.

Edit: The late reply is because I have been sick.</font>[/QUOTE]bro kev sorry to hear you have been sick. i understand about how the language of the times do reflect in certain locations.
God bless

 

[massdak]

Originally posted by TimothyW:
Bro. Kevin,

I too spent a few years under this style of preaching. Some of the preachers on your link I've heard in person, others on tape.

I still love to hear Vance Havner. But I've grown disillusioned with the style and substance of some of the others. For one thing, "telling it like it is" sometimes borders on being mean-spirited. For example, I've got a tape in my car of Dr. Phil Kidd who states that Southern Baptists aren't saved, refers to a lady in the congregation as a "mean hag" and brags that if his wife were to disagree with his type of preaching that she would find her "teeth in the toilet." Then I also find that the revivalist style somewhat lacking in depth--and accuracy.

I don't doubt that many of these guys love the Lord. Most of my family (my side anyway) and many close friends are hard-core old-fashioned. I guess that to a large degree I've left my roots. Today I love expository preaching. And I embrace the doctrines of grace.

There is an "old-fashioned" style that I tend to identify with now; it goes back beyond the camp meetings and revivals that we usually associate with the term. I've come to love the Puritans.

timothy i agree with you. i am not fimilar with the puritans very much. are they like the reformers? what is the differences?