The Rules of War

Unfortunately, that is the path we have chosen and also the path that Condi Rice et al imposed upon Israel. The IDF wanted to be free to do the job, but politics constrained them. Same with Iraq and Afghanistan. Politics has constrained our military.

If we had not concerned ourselves with nation building in Afghanistan and Iraq & not worried about "hearts and minds" and just eliminated the enemy, we would not be facing as serious of a threat of terrorism as we continue to face 5 years status post 09/11. Sadly, our elected leaders do not understand the "religion of peace."

 

Wait a minute. Didn't we pass a UN Resolution 1559? Shouldn't that be enough? Has Hezbollah disarmed yet and pecome peaceful?

Olmert just broke that third rule, and I have this feeling that Bush is gonna follow suit here pretty soon.

Joseph Botwinick

 

Sun Tzu, THE PRINCIPLES OF WARFARE "THE ART OF WAR"

 

In WW2, we defeated Hitler and the Nazis. But we did not destroy the other prong of facism - the Muslims. Now we are paying the price.

http://www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com/gallery/index.html

 

Since WW2 we've come to accept quite a bit of fascist rule here in the good ole USA. What was it Jesus said about that beam again? :smilewinkgrin:

We also have Dubya's grandpappy to thank for helping Hitler and therefore the Islamofascists come to power in the first place. Today the business of warfare or war as a business is booming! (pun intended) Those allied with the Bush's (Bin Laden construction, Saudis) and the military industrial complex are making out like bandits from all the killing and reconstructing. The more radical Islamofascists there are the more money the MIC, can make. Business is only going to get better! I can just see daddy Bush and James Baker ringing their hands with glee over all the new arms sales their business partners have been and will be making in the future. Not to mention the jokes they must be telling each other about those of us who have bought into their money making Machiavellian mischief. :type:

http://www.freedomtofascism.com/

 

There are no islamofascists. There are only Islamists. I do not believe there is such a creature as a Muslim American, or a temperate Muslim, or a moderate one.
A muslim is a muslim.
Get angry with what I said, if you will, but that's the way it is.

 

As long as we're making up new names to describe America's enemies, how about globofascists? Oh nevermind, I forgot that most people helped to vote them into office in the last few elections, and some are even proud to admit it! Go team go! :applause:

 

Thanks Carpro!

 

There certainly are American Muslims, temperate Muslims and moderate ones. I have the friends and relatives to prove it.

And an ignorant fool is an ignorant fool.

You are the way you are. It's this kind of hate-mongering attitude that pushes moderate Muslims towards extremism. If you keep demonizing people they may very well become demons. Why not if you and your kind are going to condemn them without knowing who they are.

 

This is a statement made out of ignorance. People do not become terrorists because of politics, world opinion, or mistreatment. People become murdering terrorist because they are evil and have no problem killing others just to get their way. Nothing has been said on this board that justifies or actually pushes people into terrorism. And nothing has been done in or out of this country to push people into terrorism. Terrorists are terrorists because that is the evil in their heart and that is what they want to do. And under any circunstances it is wrong, evil, and should never be made excuses for.

Why not become a "demon"? People with real and honorable character are mistreated every day and do not become evil or lose their character. Isnt that what you libs are always suggesting that we Americans do not do? Become like the enemy? Yet on this board you suggest "Why not become like a demon if we are going to demonize them"? Actually Im surprised at this kind of response. It seems to be pure emotion and not much else. Im surprised you would make such statement and ask such a question.

 

Rev Mitchell,
100% with you on this one. This is the prevailing mentality in our country today to blame others for our problems and not take individual responsibility. It is the same nonsense that blames your Dad whipping you 40 years ago for you beating your wife, or that you couldnt do your job because of a "hostile work environment", or "they dont respect my diversity." What a bunch of baloney. A person is evil because a person is evil. Them alone. No one else to blame.

 

Rev Mitchell, 100% with you on this. You are correct. And they are only following their religion.

As far as "hate-mongering attitudes" I would say that beheading people and blowing up innocent people with bomb belts would be a pretty good sign of a hate-mongering attitude. Speaking the truth about evil, however, is not hate-mongering.

Also, an ignorant fool is one who refuses to look at historical facts and current events about the "religion of peace." By the time some ignorant fools wise up, it may be too late.

 

Through 2001 I had the opportunity to work with a Muslim who shared his religion with me. The exchange gave us both an understanding that we did not have before. This exchange ended before December of that year, for I could not accept the vitrolic hatred he showed toward Israel and Judiasm. He blamed them for 9/11. At first stating (and giving websites in support) that there were not Muslim's involved, but Mossad pilots to blame Islam. After Afghanistan was invaded, then the story was that Bush was the terrorist because civilians were dying. The blame game continues.

'They' hit us first. 'They' responded out of proportion. 'They' lied, we didn't do anything. 'They' were going to hit us.

The one thing I have come to believe is that Golda Meier was correct -- peace will come when 'they' love their children more than they hate others, whether it be Christianity, Islam, Israel, 'east', 'west', 'north' or 'south.' There are some who do love their children -- there are others who would prefer martyrdom for themselves and their children before accepting peaceful co-existence.

 

Actually not. It is made from watching people turn bitter when they are mistreated.

Now that is an ignorant statement that ignores history.

How does that differ from regular war?

I spoke of reasons and causes, not justifications and excuses. I don't think terrorism is justified, period. Neither is invading a country that posed no threat justifiable, in my eyes.

Some turn the other cheek and some fight back. Politics label some freedom fighters and others terrorists - quite often the same ones.

I don't know that we libs always suggest that , but if we don't we ought to.

From their point of view. I didn't intend to advocate it.

Sarcasm - if you're not used to it, it can certainly be misleading.

 

No, carpro - I didn't say that he or anyone in particular was an ignorant fool, but that an ignorant fool is one.

Really? How do you put a good spin on, "I do not believe there is such a creature as a Muslim American, or a temperate Muslim, or a moderate one"? While it may be true that he and his kind don't believe it, it is false and insulting to my friends and relatives, some of whom are American Muslims, all of whom are moderate and temperate.

What does "a muslim is a muslim" mean in the context of islamofacism?

I guess that depends on whether you consider gross bigotry to be a problem or a solution.

 

"A" Muslim. Oh well then, if you've met one, then you know them all!

As pinoybaptist so famously and kindly put it, "a muslim is a muslim!" <- sarcasm indicator


I have met Muslims who are shockingly anti-Semetic, but they are not among my friends and relatives. I have also met Christians who are every bit as bigotted towards Jews (and Muslims, blacks, liberals, you-name-it), but that doesn't mean we all are.

Eh, part fun and part bad habit, I guess.

Point taken even if not reflected in this particular post.

 

That can't be denied.

The great majority of Moslems do not behead people or blow up innocent ones - the ones I know are horrified by it.

Preaching that all Moslems are evil and unAmerican (non-American?) is hate-mongering.

Probably.