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The Sin of the Devil
- Thread starter Salty
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Is there a sin not of the devil?
There is no plan of salvation for the devil. Jesus Christ did not die for that purpose. He came "in the image of sinful flesh" and died for sinful mankind. He didn't die for supernatural beings who were created and had already lived in heaven face to face with God and had seen God.
Besides, I explained to my students in chapel once when I was at a Christian school that in Genesis, after Adam and Eve sinned and even later with Cain, God gave Adam two opportunities to "come clean" and confess what he had done.
He asked Eve:
And later with Cain, he got FIVE opportunities to cry out to God that he was a sinner and to have mercy on him:
Three times when sin was in his heart and before he murdered Abel.
When God punished the devil in the Garden, the devil was granted no such window of opportunity to repent.
I could go on, but I won't.
Besides, I explained to my students in chapel once when I was at a Christian school that in Genesis, after Adam and Eve sinned and even later with Cain, God gave Adam two opportunities to "come clean" and confess what he had done.
- "Where are you?"
- "Who told you that you were naked?"
He asked Eve:
- "What have you done?"
And later with Cain, he got FIVE opportunities to cry out to God that he was a sinner and to have mercy on him:
Three times when sin was in his heart and before he murdered Abel.
- Why are you angry?
- Why has your face fallen?
- If you do well, won't you be accepted? If you don't sin is lying at the door and it's sin's desire to rule over you, but YOU must rule over sin.
- Where is your brother?
- What have you done? Your brother's blood cries out to me from the ground.
When God punished the devil in the Garden, the devil was granted no such window of opportunity to repent.
I could go on, but I won't.
Satan isn't a human.
Sin taints humanity.
Satan is not tainted with sin. His rebellion is an entirely different kind of rebellion against God. There is no atonement for angels, fallen or faithful.
Sin taints humanity.
Satan is not tainted with sin. His rebellion is an entirely different kind of rebellion against God. There is no atonement for angels, fallen or faithful.
Possibly, or not. We don't know and can't know. Anyone giving a definite yes or no answer is giving an opinion only.
We do know and can know and it is Biblical fact.
[1] Hell was created for the devil and his angels. Jesus said so in Matthew 25.
[2] When Jesus cast demons out of someone once, the demons ask Jesus why he was there and if he was there to torment them "before their time". The demons and devil know their fate. (I don't remember the scripture reference.)
[3] My SS class studied Hebrews not to long ago. In chapter two, in describing Jesus's role as Savior and destroyer of the devil it says that "He gives no aid to angels, but gives aid to the children of Abraham (not some Jews per se, but children of faith.) Jesus didn't die for the devil or angels. And there is no other atonement.
[4] The devil will be cast into that lake of fire when all is said and done. Revelation 20. It's a done deal.
Do you mean the Devil's sin? Or is there a specific sin you're referring to as being of from Satan?
If you mean can Satan be forgiven and saved, no, for a couple of reasons.
The first is that he is an angel and, thus, is subject to a different standard than humans are.
1a is that there is no means of salvation for angels. The reason our salvation required Christ to be both God and man is that both sides are represented in the transaction. Christ is God, representing God, and man, representing man. He is not an angel.
Second, there's no evidence that the Devil is or is capable of repentance.
The third is that God has already spoken and declared Satan guilty and awaiting sentencing, at which time he will be damned to Hell.
On other hand, if you mean a sin a human may commit that is so diabolical that it appears to be from the Devil, yes. There is no sin greater than Christ's ability to save.
You can't claim something as Biblical fact when there are absolutely no scriptures to back up such a claim -- none. Anything put forth on this subject is mere speculation and opinion.
quantumfaith
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quantumfaith
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IF Satan were to able to repent God might accept it. But since repentance literally means "change of mind" about Messiah and since Satan will never do that, it is a moot point.
Besides we know Satan will be cast into the Lake of Fire (Rev. 20:10) so we already know he never does repent.
beameup
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The Devil is the origin of ego/self, "pride" was the result. We inherit that ego/self from the fall.
If you will, God is "egoless". God must defeat the Devil without violating his Divine Attributes.
The only way we, as believers, can "defeat" the ego/self is by submitting to the indwelling Holy Spirit and his guidance... see below
If you will, God is "egoless". God must defeat the Devil without violating his Divine Attributes.
The only way we, as believers, can "defeat" the ego/self is by submitting to the indwelling Holy Spirit and his guidance... see below
Satan is a person, a person that we are told to "resist," stand against," "withstand," "oppose," fight against," "war against," etc.
He is the prince of the power of the air.
I have never known a "prince" not to be a person.
His demons has taken on human bodies and indwelt them, which brought upon the Flood.
Satan entered into Judas and he betrayed the Lord.
Satan will inhabit and control the Antichrist.
Satan is a great imitator:
J. O. Sanders offers this interesting description of the counterfiet nature of Satan:
Satan has his own trinity--the devil, the beast, and the false prophet (Revelation 16:13).
He has his own church, "a synagogue of Satan" (Revelation 2:9).
He has his own ministers, "ministers of Satan" (2 Corinthians 11:4-5).
He has formulated his own system of theology "doctrines of demons" (1 Timothy 4:1).
He has established his own sacrificial system; "The Gentiles...sacrifice to demons" (1 Corinthians 10:20).
He has his own communion service, "the cup of demons...and the table of demons" (1 Corinthians 10:21).
His ministers proclaim his own gospel, "a gospel contrary to that which we have preached to you" (Galatians 1:7-8).
He has his own throne (Revelation 13:2) and his own worshipers (Revelation 13:4).
So he has developed a thorough imitation of Christianity, viewed as a system of religion.
http://www.sermonillustrations.com/a-z/s/satan.htm
BrotherJoseph
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Brother IntheLIght,
Satan does not have a nature that would make it possible for him to repent as he is totally wicked, besides this we read, "And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. (Jude 1:6)
We read again that the judgment for the devil will be "everlasting" "Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels" (Matthew 25:51)
According to Calvinism we ALL have totally wicked natures and God must grant us the "gift" of repentance. So if the sovereign God wanted to give Satan the ability to repent, couldn't He?
I agree with you as to the ultimate destiny of Satan.