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The Theology of Richard Rohr - Define it.

Benjamin

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I personally know the creator of this book trailer film. We have had words of as recent over the path he is on and I have been concerned about his ...self invented theology... which I might define as "humanistic universalism" for some time. Now this, the film work that immediately drew a red flag from me:

You should be able to click this link and see it.

I'm curious if the film alone sets off warning bells from you also?

I've looked Rohr up some and have several words to describe this man's theology but would like to hear what my Baptist brothers/sisters have to say about it.
 

church mouse guy

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Sheer garbage that Christ is in everyone and everything. I guess that Rohr is New Age. Catholicism is in total crisis right now so ignore Rohr.
 

Benjamin

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Sheer garbage that Christ is in everyone and everything. I guess that Rohr is New Age. Catholicism is in total crisis right now so ignore Rohr.
My first thought is it reeks of Humanistic Universalism Ideology! Knowing the source behind the creator of the trailer film, to be upfront my nephew, when I saw his fiancee post how proud she was of his work and him I had to take exception. It was nice work but the subject has serious problems. If this kind of garbage, heresy etc., shows up on my Facebook page newsfeeds I address it, - and if they can't handle truth then unfriend me because I take these words to heart:

2Ti 4:2-5 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. (3) For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; (4) And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. (5) But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.

I'll tell of our recents words because this has been on my mind a lot. Maybe I could use some counselling how to better handle, I certainly know I can be blunt. He came to a lunch with my 2 sisters and my Mom and I and started talking about his upcoming wedding. He took over the conversation and was going on like a woman about picking out the flowers and even dress designs with this gay act like I have never seen out of him before. In jest, in the thick of it, concerning his odd behavior I asked him if he had also had his dress picked out? I saw it offended him and shrugged, rolled my eyes and imitated the limp-wristed action he was putting on to my sister, not his mother, and we smiled but said no more.

Later that day he messaged me on Facebook and told me he didn't know if I was aware but that he was bisexual and he was not going to tolerated my "toxic masculinity" and warned me that if I ever insulted him again he was going to tell me about it. I told him I'd read between the lines, although I also knew his first wife left him because of this, but that I believed people change and had hoped being he was getting married that he wasn't still lusting after men. I said if he was having issues and wanted to talk I would be glad to talk to him about it being he was a professing Christian. I love my nephew but I will not sit silent in the presence of such behavior. He does not believe homosexuality is a sin. I told him I did not say it to insult his sexuality but meant it to tease as I might any guy about getting married and being whipped and expected to help pick out the decorations. This only made him more angry and again he warned me about my toxic masculinity and replied he would not tolerate it and said I obviously didn't want him in my life.

My reply was tell him that I loved him but that he best be aware that I would not tolerate this "toxic limp-wristed anti-gender exibitionism" so he best be careful if he intended to confront or threaten me in person because I was not going to have this behavior being part of and/or overwhelming our family gatherings.

Which brings us to this advertising trailer he created and his fiancee posting this video on Facebook and praising it. I replied:

"Nice work, but unfortunately Richard Rohr is well known as an unbiblical heretic. Beware of wolves in sheep’s clothing, i.e. Rohr’s views based on: “ALTERNATIVE Orthodoxy”, "Orthopraxis", “Perennial Philosophy”, “Universalism” of which Rohr champions while believing he is a modern day prophet, a lone ranger sent to transform Christian century’s old tradition as per his imagination, who attempts to rewrite the Bible to suit his humanistic ideology. He does not believe the Bible is the inerrant God breathed Word but rather describes the biblical record as “a human account of humanity's evolving experience with God”. I would highly caution following this man’s false teachings."

As you might expect I was un-friended by her and him. I am sorry for the conflict but I think he is suddenly laying this gay acting on heavy to justify his future actions in light of his current commitment. I think this preacher/prophet was of great interest to him because he supports the humanistic ideology which they claim is the new Christianity movement. He is very liberal and has expressed Universalism in the past which I have called him on but he conveniently follows these types of teachers who agree with his lifestyle and argues that it's biblical.

I'm a guy that tells it like it is, especially to family, because I care about the truth more than my faults of not being gentle enough and being over blunt.

Tough situation. Is my objection to such teachings and displays in my presence over the top? How would you handle it? Do you see this video falling under the discernment given in 2nd Timothy?
 
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church mouse guy

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My first thought is it reeks of Humanistic Universalism Ideology! Knowing the source behind the creator of the trailer film, to be upfront my nephew, when I saw his fiancee post how proud she was of his work and him I had to take exception. It was nice work but the subject has serious problems. If this kind of garbage, heresy etc., shows up on my Facebook page newsfeeds I address it, - and if they can't handle truth then unfriend me because I take these words to heart:

2Ti 4:2-5 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. (3) For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; (4) And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. (5) But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.

I'll tell of our recents words because this has been on my mind a lot. Maybe I could use some counselling how to better handle, I certainly know I can be blunt. He came to a lunch with my 2 sisters and my Mom and I and started talking about his upcoming wedding. He took over the conversation and was going on like a woman about picking out the flowers and even dress designs with this gay act like I have never seen out of him before. In jest, in the thick of it, concerning his odd behavior I asked him if he had also had his dress picked out? I saw it offended him and shrugged, rolled my eyes and imitated the limp-wristed action he was putting on to my sister, not his mother, and we smiled but said no more.

Later that day he messaged me on Facebook and told me he didn't know if I was aware but that he was bisexual and he was not going to tolerated my "toxic masculinity" and warned me that if I ever insulted him again he was going to tell me about it. I told him I'd read between the lines, although I also knew his first wife left him because of this, but that I believed people change and had hoped being he was getting married that he wasn't still lusting after men. I said if he was having issues and wanted to talk I would be glad to talk to him about it being he was a professing Christian. I love my nephew but I will not sit silent in the presence of such behavior. He does not believe homosexuality is a sin. I told him I did not say it to insult his sexuality but meant it to tease as I might any guy about getting married and being whipped and expected to help pick out the decorations. This only made him more angry and again he warned me about my toxic masculinity and replied he would not tolerate it and said I obviously didn't want him in my life.

My reply was tell him that I loved him but that he best be aware that I would not tolerate this "toxic limp-wristed anti-gender exibitionism" so he best be careful if he intended to confront or threaten me in person because I was not going to have this behavior being part of and/or overwhelming our family gatherings.

Which brings us to this advertising trailer he created and his fiancee posting this video on Facebook and praising it. I replied:

"Nice work, but unfortunately Richard Rohr is well known as an unbiblical heretic. Beware of wolves in sheep’s clothing, i.e. Rohr’s views based on: “ALTERNATIVE Orthodoxy”, "Orthopraxis", “Perennial Philosophy”, “Universalism” of which Rohr champions while believing he is a modern day prophet, a lone ranger sent to transform Christian century’s old tradition as per his imagination, who attempts to rewrite the Bible to suit his humanistic ideology. He does not believe the Bible is the inerrant God breathed Word but rather describes the biblical record as “a human account of humanity's evolving experience with God”. I would highly caution following this man’s false teachings."

As you might expect I was un-friended by her and him. I am sorry for the conflict but I think he is suddenly laying this gay acting on heavy to justify his future actions in light of his current commitment. I think this preacher/prophet was of great interest to him because he supports the humanistic ideology which they claim is the new Christianity movement. He is very liberal and has expressed Universalism in the past which I have called him on but he conveniently follows these types of teachers who agree with his lifestyle and argues that it's biblical.

I'm a guy that tells it like it is, especially to family, because I care about the truth more than my faults of not being gentle enough and being over blunt.

Tough situation. Is my objection to such teachings and displays in my presence over the top? How would you handle it? Do you see this video falling under the discernment given in 2nd Timothy?

I would have done what you did. My family mostly went liberal. Proverbs 27:24 For riches are not forever. Many, many Americans are insulated by money. One tries to keep peace on the family but sometimes it is impossible. Rohr's statement about Christ in everything sounds pantheistic to me. Christ is not in the lost.
 

Benjamin

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"To be a Christian is to see Christ in everything." - What about sin?

"Christ is in a homosexual couple looking for a church to marry them." - As if He approves of the action?

"God loves things by becoming them." - What does this even mean?
 

Benjamin

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A type of pantheism.
It does have these similarities. I'm hearing, "God is whatever your reality wants Him to be." and see those pushing such doctrines as believing the Word evolves through man's imagination and practice. They essentially interpret the Word to suit their liberal judgments and if need be turn their ears to popular men like Richard Rohr who make claims of special revelation to prophetically rewrite it.
 
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