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The Three Covenants

NetChaplain

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Note: This prologue is a theoretical hypotheses of Israel’s eschatology, and is what I think (and all the Plymouth Brethren) is probably truth; and let us be aware that regardless of what may be considered, it is not essential doctrine, same for any growth truth that has no effect on one’s salvation (i.e. whether or not if one believes salvation is permanent does not affect being saved.)



The Lord has come and many Gentiles have received Him, but still not many of God’s people have received Him; but this will come later, after they see Him (Jhn 20:29). There are those among “God’s people” who presently believe in God (Jn 14:1 – “believing Israel”), but not in is Son. These He has surly saved (still in union but presently out of fellowship), for what is there to be said of the years God has and is dealing with believing Israel; which is saying much more than not believing at all, which has always been the state of the majority of the world. Otherwise a vast majority of the Jews would be lost! There have always been those who believe in God who love Him, thus is the love to them to be finally shunned? God has always returned their hearts to Him and will yet do so one more time—and it will be permanent. Many I’m sure are not familiar with the fact that God has saved the Israelites who believe in Him, by the same method of Christ’ Blood efficacy, as it was “paid forward” (Act 2:2; Rom 3:25; Heb 9:15-22).

The only time that remains for the return to fellowship of believing Israel (to fellowship, not union which has never been broken) is during the Millennium, when they shall finally see Him and believe (but no son-ship in Christ, just a people of God); and this is when they and the Christians will take part in the “first resurrection” (Rev 20:5). The Lord and those with Him will teach Israel what God has prepared for them. Israel now believing in Christ will be the New Earthly representative, with Christ and those who are His instructing Israel (Mat 19:28; Luk 22:30).

The prophecies of Jerimiah and Ezekiel do not be refer to the present covenant of the Christians, because it is a covenant with man; for the present and “everlasting Covenant” is between the Father and the Son, in that the Father raised the Son from the dead after expiating their sins (Heb 13:20, et al). Thus Christians are not in a covenant with God (Benefactor), but are recipients (beneficiaries) of the “Covenant of Redemption”!

Whether or not this is just theory or truth, it thankfully is not essential doctrine, and cannot effect salvation either way it is believed.
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The Three Covenants


“Now may the God of peace who brought up our Lord Jesus from the dead, that great Shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant, make you complete in every good work to do His will, working in you what is well pleasing in His sight, through Jesus Christ, to whom be glory forever and ever. Amen. (Heb 13:20, 21).

Here we have the word “covenant” (which is so frequently mentioned in chapters 8, 9, 10, 12) and an eternal covenant. It is here we find “the God of peace bringing again from the dead our Lord Jesus, the Great Shepherd of the sheep”—how? “With the Blood of an eternal covenant.” That is, in accordance with the terms of an agreement between the Father and the Son, which terms are seen to be a promise from the Father that if the Son would become “a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death” (Heb 2:9), shedding His Blood for us, the Father would bring Him again from among the dead. The Son came to earth, and became “obedient unto death,” and the Father indeed brought Him again from among the dead. The eternal covenant was kept (“Covenant of Redemption”).

Before we go further, it will be well to look back over the Scripture teaching as to covenants. To make a covenant effective, the parties thereto must be able to fulfill the conditions undertaken. But with fallen man, such fulfillment is unthinkable, impossible. For:

a) Man is a creature, and all the ability must be supplied by God.

b) Man is a fallen creature, and unable to put away his guilt. Therefore the legal covenant of Sinai was, as 2Cor 3:7, 9 says a “ministration of death … condemnation.” It revealed to man his helplessness, but it supplied no strength (yet forgiveness was granted to the obedient, which manifested faith – e.g. Num 15:24-31—NC). We are removed, then, in our consideration of Hebrews 13:20, both from the legal covenant of chapters 8 and 9, and from the future “new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah” (Heb 8:8) because:

a) “The Law (with its covenant) made nothing perfect” (Heb 7:19), and was “disannulled,” “because of its weakness and unprofitableness” (v 18).

b) The “new covenant” to be made with Israel and Judah at our Lord’s return to earth, we have seen is all grace—God’s operation instead of their response (Jer 31:31-24; Ezek 36:24-27; 37:12-14, 21, 23, 25-28). Therefore the “new covenant” which the Hebrew believers to whom Paul was writing had explained to them, was not yet on, nor will be until Christ’s return to earth; and then it will apply to “the house of Israel and the house of Judah,” as God says, in the land of Palestine, with the peculiar earthly blessings described in Scripture.

But—there is yet an eternal covenant, detailed in Hebrews 13:20, in which and according to which Paul knows that all believers may be made perfect in “every good work.” This eternal covenant, in which the God of peace and our Lord Jesus are the Benefactors, and the sheep are the beneficiaries—this covenant is the only covenant which believers should keep in mind as already and eternally fulfilled in its conditions (sacrifice has been made—NC), and available to all.

This is the covenant that was revealed to Paul: “The Lord Jesus in the night in which He was betrayed took bread … in like manner also the cup, after supper, saying, This cup is the new covenant in My Blood: this do, as often as ye drink it, in remembrance of Me.” This is the Eternal Covenant of which the Lord Jesus is said to be “the Mediator” (9:15), and which is celebrated in the Lord’s Supper, in view of His death, by those benefited forever thereby!

—William R Newell (1868-1956)







MJS devotional excerpt for July 29

“There are various ways in which as saints we are tried, but through all circumstances God is threading our way, occupying Himself with us, our particular characters, etc., to instruct and develop us. What we want is to realize that our Father loves us so much that He has taken such pains to make us ‘partakers of His holiness’ (Heb. 12:10). We are apt not to believe the activity of His love. Some trouble comes on us; our Father has been watching us individually for weeks, months, years; watching us to bring this trouble which He sees is needed.” –Henry Hugh Snell (1817-1892)

“How varied are the ways in which our Father bringeth down and lifteth up! We have to learn the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ in the bright day as well as in the sorrowful day. If He is everything to me in my brightest day there is no fear, but He will be my chief joy in the day of sorrow.” –MJS
None But The Hungry Heart
 

AustinC

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Newell was a hardcore dispensationalist, which means he had a very muddled understanding of the Covenants. In reading his quote you can see he doesn't clearly grasp the New Covenant and still thinks Israel is an actual nation rather than all who are chosen by God to have faith and be justified by the same faith God gave to Abraham.
It's interesting that the article I read about him extolls his commentary on Romans, yet it is in Romans where he should have recognized that a Jew is not one who is physically circumcised (Romans 2) and not all Israel is Israel (Romans 9). Since Newell comes at the Covenants from a wrong point of view, I cannot regard him as having keen insight on the Covenants of God.

William R. Newell
 

NetChaplain

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Newell was a hardcore dispensationalist, which means he had a very muddled understanding of the Covenants.
I believe saints are mistaken when they attempt to apply Israel to the Body of Christ. When Scripture intends Christians, it does not include unbelieving Jews. These are Jews who believe in God, but not in Christ (Jn 14:1).

The use of the word "Israel" (e.g. Rom 11:26; Gal 6:16) always intends what it designs, which is not the Church and Body and Bride of Christ.
 

AustinC

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I believe saints are mistaken when they attempt to apply Israel to the Body of Christ. When Scripture intends Christians, it does not include unbelieving Jews. These are Jews who believe in God, but not in Christ (Jn 14:1).

The use of the word "Israel" (e.g. Rom 11:26; Gal 6:16) always intends what it designs, which is not the Church and Body and Bride of Christ.
Your view is a dispensational view. It ignores Romans 2 and Romans 9 where Paul breaks down the barrier and establishes the Church as the Israel of God according to the New Covenant.
In Romans 11 we see the reconnection of some ancestors of Israel as they are established by God to believe.
 

NetChaplain

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Your view is a dispensational view. It ignores Romans 2 and Romans 9 where Paul breaks down the barrier and establishes the Church as the Israel of God according to the New Covenant.
In Romans 11 we see the reconnection of some ancestors of Israel as they are established by God to believe.
Hi, and thanks for your reply! You will need to be more specific on the Scriptures you want to address. God bless!
 

AustinC

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Hi, and thanks for your reply! You will need to be more specific on the Scriptures you want to address. God bless!
Really? You can't read the chapters and see the contextual connection?
That's fine. I have made my point and shown that your view is constricted by dispensationalism.
 

AustinC

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God does everything by dispensations or periods of dispensing administration, like Law or Grace, the Gospel, Covenant of Redemption, etc. (1Co 9:17; Eph 1:10; Eph 3:2; Col 1:25).
No
God's grace is the same yesterday, today and forever. Salvation is not a dispensation. God's redemption has always been by grace through faith. There has never been another way.
God made an eternal Covenant with Adam that the Promised One would come.
God made a Covenant with Noah that He would never destroy the earth by water again.
God made an eternal Covenant with Abraham saying the whole world would be blessed in the Covenant.
God made a temporary Covenant with Moses saying the Promised One would come from the nation Israel.
God made an eternal Covenant with David telling him that the Promised One would come through his children's line and would rule as King forever. (It was a reconnection of God as King)
God made an eternal New Covenant through Jeremiah and Ezekiel stating that God would write His covenant in the hearts of His children who come from every nation, tribe, and tongue.

The constant is salvation by grace through faith.
 

NetChaplain

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No
God's grace is the same yesterday, today and forever. Salvation is not a dispensation. God's redemption has always been by grace through faith. There has never been another way.

The constant is salvation by grace through faith.
It's just different dispensations, but same method; "by grace through faith" (Eph 2:8) as you have said. The OT saints mimicked the types and sacrifices of Christ's Blood expiation, and we the actual sacrifice!

The dispensation of the Law has not the administration as the Gospel of Christ. That's why there is so much confusion between the Law and Gospel of Christ, think they are administered in the same method. They had the "shadow" (Col 2:17; Heb 8:5;; 10:1), we have the actual administration.
 

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I believe saints are mistaken when they attempt to apply Israel to the Body of Christ. When Scripture intends Christians, it does not include unbelieving Jews. These are Jews who believe in God, but not in Christ (Jn 14:1).

The use of the word "Israel" (e.g. Rom 11:26; Gal 6:16) always intends what it designs, which is not the Church and Body and Bride of Christ.

Surely, you are NOT saying that just believing in God (absent Christ) can save man?

otherwise, why evangelize them?

Acts 4:12. No other name under heaven given among men whereby we must be saved

I look forward to your answer
 

Marooncat79

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I believe saints are mistaken when they attempt to apply Israel to the Body of Christ. When Scripture intends Christians, it does not include unbelieving Jews. These are Jews who believe in God, but not in Christ (Jn 14:1).

The use of the word "Israel" (e.g. Rom 11:26; Gal 6:16) always intends what it designs, which is not the Church and Body and Bride of Christ.
Galatians 4:26 says that Jerusalem above is our mother ie it is the spiritual Jerusalem
 

AustinC

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It's just different dispensations, but same method; "by grace through faith" (Eph 2:8) as you have said. The OT saints mimicked the types and sacrifices of Christ's Blood expiation, and we the actual sacrifice!

The dispensation of the Law has not the administration as the Gospel of Christ. That's why there is so much confusion between the Law and Gospel of Christ, think they are administered in the same method. They had the "shadow" (Col 2:17; Heb 8:5;; 10:1), we have the actual administration.
These are two different Covenants. One is a temporary covenant with the descendants of Jacob through which the Promised One would come. The other is the eternal New Covenant in which the elect receive their inheritance (Hebrews 9). You are adding the term "dispensation" when there is no dispensation. You are missing Paul's point in both Romans and Galatians regarding our relationship with God through the Abrahamic Covenant and justification by faith alone.
 

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Surely, you are NOT saying that just believing in God (absent Christ) can save man?

otherwise, why evangelize them?

Acts 4:12. No other name under heaven given among men whereby we must be saved

I look forward to your answer
Believing Israel has an important place in God, which is saying more than our unbelieving world (majority of mankind). There is much that is unclear concerning Israel's eschatology (God's choice not to reveal yet), so inference can be made as to what He does give us, which I believe will not be difficult to understand; and that's why my prologue includes this as a theory.

The Bible is 90% about Israel. God has been dealing with them for about 4-6,000 years; thus He has them presently out of fellowship, but not out of union with Him. Their faith, short of Christ (until they see Him too late at the millennium), just means they forfeit Heaven and son-ship in Christ; but they will still be His "people" inheriting the New Earth, and be subject to the authority of Jesus and the Christians (Mat 19:28; Luk 22:30). This is not a judgement of condemnation, which only Christ has authority; but by example of how they should have been.








Of course this is only hypothetical, but I like to thing it's truth!
 
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