The Trinity, Opinions On This Explanation

CubeX,

Sorry, but I have a problem with your basic premise that God can arbitrarily assign laws of physics to His creation. I don't think God was concerned with the disciplines of physics and science when He said, "Let there be . . ." These disciplines (man-made) attempt to define what God has created. I submit the following for a more detailed explanation:

 

CubeX,

No, I'm saying that God created the physical universe the way He created it. The "laws" of science and physics are man's crude attempt to explain how everything works that God created.

There are a few “statements” in the Bible concerning how His creation works, but the Bible is not a science book. The “laws” you refer to, again, are man-made.

To change the "laws" of physics would require the Creator to change how and what He created. God created "things" that we have not discovered and/or will never understand. There aren't "laws" until you understand a thing or process that a law can be applied to.

For instance: Define a law about the human conscience that explains how atoms and chemicals create a conscience (sense of right and wrong that spawn feelings of guilt) that is part of the brain's function. I seriously doubt that the scientific community will ever discover where "conscience" comes from. That is why there is such wide dissention on the nature and makeup of the human conscience, but a rational person must admit that it exists. Anyone who has had the privilege of having and raising a child discovers two things: 1) You don’t have to teach a child “how to be bad” (born with a sinful nature according to the Bible), and you don’t have to teach them to express guilt/regret for their bad/sinful actions.

As to the Trinity: The doctrine of the Trinity is only more or less a crude human attempt to come to terms with a divine reality that is beyond us. The doctrine points to a transcendent God who could yet simultaneously become a human being and then after the resurrection also indwell other human beings (that is, the Holy Spirit). He is a God great enough to rule the universe, caring enough to live a fully human life and intimate enough to live in each believer. This is the reality that the doctrine points to. This is the truth that John teaches. Try as we like, we will never understand this divine depth, yet we can still enjoy the reality of God being with us that the doctrine points to. Man’s folly leads us to doubt anything that we cannot define and grasp. Although the triune nature of God cannot be hammered smooth on any human anvil, be assured that we will see through the mirror clearly when one day we are face to face, in the presence of The Holy!

 

Well, I think you're on track in pointing out that God is way beyond our own ability to figure Him out. And that would include the nature of the trinity, of course. But your argument to persuade us of the ineffibility of God really seems to have nothing to do with the Trinity per se . . . so it's not a particularly trinitarian statement, as advertised . . .

Which is more an opinion about style than a criticism of what you said.

 

Mrk 1:10 tells us this ....... And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him
All three persons of the Godhead are in manifestation at once: (1) the voice of the Father, (2) the Son in His physical body, and (3) the Holy Spirit in the shape of a dove. This shows that the three persons of the Trinity are distinct from each other, and yet, scripture reveals that They are one (1 Jn. 5:7). The Greek word for "one" in 1 John 5:7 is "heis" and signifies a single one to the exclusion of others, as well as united in purpose. This same Greek word is used in 1 Timothy 2:5, in which case it clearly means more than sameness of purpose.

The Trinity is first suggested in Genesis 1:26 by God saying, "Let us . . . ." One God spoke in the plural. Scripture has abundant references to the Father as God (Exa. 1 Cor. 8:6). Jesus is called God (Isa. 9:6; Jn. 1:1; 20:28; 1 Tim 3:16; Heb. 1:8). The Holy Ghost is called God (Acts 5:3-4). Yet one of the great statements of the Old Testament from Deuteronomy 6:4 says that, "The Lord our God is one Lord." We do not have three Gods, but one God, clearly identifiable as three persons. This is a great mystery, which we do not have any adequate explanation for. Scriptures reveal the truth of the Trinity but make no attempt to explain it. We simply accept this revelation as it is, until we know all things, even as we are known (1 Cor. 13:12).
Sure hopes this helps you ......

 

Here's how I tend to think of the problem of God existing outside the limitations of human perception and knowledge:

Imagine people live in a two-dimensional world that consists of a sheet of paper rolled up like a cylinder, like a tin can with no lids. (Yes, I know paper has thickness so is actually 3 dimensions, but this is a thought exercise.)

The people live in 2 dimensions on the paper and that's all they know. They speculate on other dimensions but they have never experienced them. Whatever exists as "real" to them does so only above, in front, behind or below them, since they have no perception of what exists on either side.

Now let's say I poke my finger all the way through the paper cylinder, so that it pokes through holes in two places in the cylinder (in the tin can example, it would go all the way through the whole can -- not just one side).

To the people in 2-D land, it will look like my finger exists in two places at once, because they can only see those places where my finger intersects the paper. No doubt they'd sit around and speculate wild theories on how it was possible for me to exist in two places at once - but for me it's utter simplicity.