The True Christian !

[savedbymercy]

The True Christian is comprised of Two Two Men, in one twofold character .

He is born of a man that is born of the flesh or corruptible seed Jn 3:6

6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

1 Pet 1:23

23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

He is also born of the Spirit and incorruptible seed ! He is a old man and a new man all in one !

Each man is out of different respective Heads, that they previously existed in, one head being adam, the corruptible seed, the other being Christ the incorruptible seed, the Logos of God !

The Believer is made up of the old man and the new man ! Eph 4:22-24

22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;

23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;

24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

 

[Don]

At what point do we put on the new man? And what is our "status" until that point?

 

[The Biblicist]

At what point do we put on the new man? And what is our "status" until that point?

At what point do we put off the old man? And what is our "status" AFTER that point?

 

[seekingthetruth]

And I would guess that you believe that "true Christians" were chosen by God before the beginning of time?

So, if that is what you believe, then what is your point?

Are you trying to rub it in the face of the unchosen that they weren't picked to go to heaven?

Why bother with sharing your beliefs if noone has a choice?

If God chose you and not your neighbor, then just sit quietly in your house and wait to die, and go to heaven. Your neighbor doesn't need it rubbed in his face that he is a spiritual reject.

If God has already chosen who goes to heaven, and you are one of them, then why are you boasting about it?

John

 

[Yeshua1]

The True Christian is comprised of Two Two Men, in one twofold character .

He is born of a man that is born of the flesh or corruptible seed Jn 3:6

6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

1 Pet 1:23

23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

He is also born of the Spirit and incorruptible seed ! He is a old man and a new man all in one !

Each man is out of different respective Heads, that they previously existed in, one head being adam, the corruptible seed, the other being Christ the incorruptible seed, the Logos of God !

The Believer is made up of the old man and the new man ! Eph 4:22-24

22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;

23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;

24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

ALL are born as sinners, sin natures, falling short of glory of God...

Christians are those sinners saved when placing faith in jesus, THEN are born anew, and have another nature, the ONE from God!

 

[seekingthetruth]

ALL are born as sinners, sin natures, falling short of glory of God...

Christians are those sinners saved when placing faith in jesus, THEN are born anew, and have another nature, the ONE from God!

You know what JesusFan? You are finally starting to get it!!!!

praise God:thumbs:

John

 

[Moriah]

And I would guess that you believe that "true Christians" were chosen by God before the beginning of time?

So, if that is what you believe, then what is your point?

Are you trying to rub it in the face of the unchosen that they weren't picked to go to heaven?

Why bother with sharing your beliefs if noone has a choice?

If God chose you and not your neighbor, then just sit quietly in your house and wait to die, and go to heaven. Your neighbor doesn't need it rubbed in his face that he is a spiritual reject.

If God has already chosen who goes to heaven, and you are one of them, then why are you boasting about it?

John

This is a good scenario. Lol

 

[seekingthetruth]

This is a good scenario. Lol

Thank you, I thought that up myself....:smilewinkgrin::smilewinkgrin::smilewinkgrin:

John

 

[Yeshua1]

You know what JesusFan? You are finally starting to get it!!!!

praise God:thumbs:

John

the good news here is that BOTh Arminians/Cals believe and teach that truth, we just agree to disagree on exactly WHy and HOW we place faith in Christ!

 

[savedbymercy]

The Old man, born of the flesh, born of corruptible seed, cannot please God at all ! Rom 8:7-8

Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

The Old man is not subject to the Law of God ! What is the Law of God ? The word law here Nomos means:

anything established, anything received by usage, a custom, a law, a command

Notice that the Law of God is a command !

Now, is to believe on Christ a command of God ? 1 Jn 3:23

23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

Now, put 2 and 2 together and what do we have ? That the unregenerate man or woman cannot believe on Christ, because thy are in the flesh !

God does not command the old man of the flesh to believe on Christ, for that man is not subject to that command !

 

[Yeshua1]

ALL are in the old sinful nature, until the Lord bring them alive, as they will place faith in jesus and 'wake up!"

 

[Don]

Are each of us born into this world as old men of the flesh?

 

[Yeshua1]

Are each of us born into this world as old men of the flesh?

Born as sinners, seperated from God....

Until we are born again, not saved, still "in the flesh!"