The Truth about Separating Kids

[Aaron]

Separating Kids at Border: The Truth | National Review

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Remember when Obama turned kids over to human traffickers in the name of convenience? Good times.

Report: Obama Administration Handed Child Migrants Over to Human Traffickers

AP INVESTIGATION: Feds' failures imperil migrant children

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Certain folks could never accuse Obama of anything bad because he’s half black.

They have to wait until they think Trump does it.

The hypocrisy is simply astounding.

 

[777]

yep, all of a sudden, the left woke up and decided that the Obama policy just wasn't fair! And on another thread, someone posted an eyewitness account from a pediatrician affiliated with this open borders group:

AAP a leading voice against separating children, parents at border
just started ranting about this in January 2017, whatacoincidence.

The people have derided and ridiculed the nuclear family for forever. Drafts, jobs, divorces, deaths, imprisonment, abandonment separated the nuclear family since the beginning of time and they were fine with that - the nuclear family was passe, they said. But now, they're all upset about these poor (future voters) illegal aliens being separated right after they dragged their own children across a hot desert.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

If you really want to educate yourself, look into how many child prostitutes Trump’s justice department has rescued and put with families.

It’s another area he has way outdone his predecessors.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Remember when Obama turned kids over to human traffickers in the name of convenience? Good times.

Report: Obama Administration Handed Child Migrants Over to Human Traffickers

AP INVESTIGATION: Feds' failures imperil migrant children

So what are you saying, that two wrongs make it right?

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

yep, all of a sudden, the left woke up and decided that the Obama policy just wasn't fair! And on another thread, someone posted an eyewitness account from a pediatrician affiliated with this open borders group:

AAP a leading voice against separating children, parents at border
just started ranting about this in January 2017, whatacoincidence.

The people have derided and ridiculed the nuclear family for forever. Drafts, jobs, divorces, deaths, imprisonment, abandonment separated the nuclear family since the beginning of time and they were fine with that - the nuclear family was passe, they said. But now, they're all upset about these poor (future voters) illegal aliens being separated right after they dragged their own children across a hot desert.

Yea, for a better life, sure I would too. The point that doesn’t seem to be registering is that when small children are not provided with parents love and care, they go into a trauma situation that damages them, sometimes permanently and this has been clinically proven...so you are now in a situation where damage is going to happen if corrective action is not taken, and pretty quickly.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Separating Kids at Border: The Truth | National Review

So where does that wuss Paul Ryan standing on this?

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Separating kids from parents at the border mirrors a 'textbook strategy' of domestic abuse, experts say — and causes irreversible, lifelong damage

 

[Reynolds]

So what are you saying, that two wrongs make it right?

No, the wrong is illegal entry.

 

[Reynolds]

Yea, for a better life, sure I would too. The point that doesn’t seem to be registering is that when small children are not provided with parents love and care, they go into a trauma situation that damages them, sometimes permanently and this has been clinically proven...so you are now in a situation where damage is going to happen if corrective action is not taken, and pretty quickly.

So, what are you going to do with the kids of our prison inmates?

 

[Reynolds]

Separating kids from parents at the border mirrors a 'textbook strategy' of domestic abuse, experts say — and causes irreversible, lifelong damage

Well, stay where they legally belong. There are consequences for CRIMES! The consequences usually affect people other than the offender.

 

[Reynolds]

So where does that wuss Paul Ryan standing on this?

Paul RINO is too spineless to stand for anything.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

So, what are you going to do with the kids of our prison inmates?

They generally have another parent, grandparent, extended family. And in some cases, it’s a foster home... but they are cared for.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Paul RINO is too spineless to stand for anything.

Agree

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Well, stay where they legally belong. There are consequences for CRIMES! The consequences usually affect people other than the offender.

But we don’t have to adhere to a system that punishes children. What they are doing right now is declaring war on kids as a deterrent.

 

[Covenanter]

We need to recognise that the migrants-refugees & their children are generally the VICTIMS of criminal or other activity that makes their home situation desperate. Who would move 100s, 1,000s of miles to another country if their home situation were acceptable?

The rich nations have destroyed homes, cities & infrastructure & forced people to become refugees - a more descriptive term than migrants. We have huge amounts of money available for warfare - even weapons which if used would make life on earth uninhabitable - yet little for improving the stability of the countries in question. Prisons cost a lot more than homes.

 

[Gold Dragon]

The Trump administration’s separation of families at the border, explained

3) Is the policy of separating families new?
Yes. But it’s building on an existing system, and attention to family separation has brought more awareness to problems with that system that have been going on for some time.

For the past several years, a growing number of people coming into the US without papers have been Central Americans — often families, and often seeking asylum. Asylum seekers and families are both accorded particular protections in US and international law, which make it impossible for the government to simply send them back. Those protections also put strict limits on the length of time, and conditions, in which children can be kept in immigration detention.

When the Obama administration attempted to respond to the “crisis” of families and unaccompanied children crossing the border in summer 2014, it put hundreds of families in immigration detention — a practice that had basically ended several years before. But federal courts stopped the administration from holding families for months without justifying the decision to keep them in detention. So most families ended up getting released while their cases were pending — which immigration hawks have derided as “catch and release.” In some cases, they disappeared into the US rather than showing up for their court dates.

The Trump administration has stepped up detention of asylum seekers (and immigrants, period). But because there are such strict limits on keeping children in immigration detention, it’s had to release most of the families it’s caught.

The government’s solution has been to prosecute larger numbers of immigrants for illegal entry — including, in a break from previous administrations, large numbers of asylum seekers. That allows the Trump administration to ship children off to ORR, rather than keeping them in immigration detention.

6) Why does Trump say there’s a “Democratic law” requiring families to be separated?
President Trump has responded to criticisms of family separation by claiming that a “Democratic law” requires him to do it, and that if Congress doesn’t like it, they can change the law.


Donald J. Trump

✔@realDonaldTrump
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1003969399148118016

Separating families at the Border is the fault of bad legislation passed by the Democrats. Border Security laws should be changed but the Dems can’t get their act together! Started the Wall.

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This is not true. There is no law that requires immigrant families to be separated. The decision to charge everyone crossing the border with illegal entry — and the decision to charge asylum seekers in criminal court rather than waiting to see if they qualify for asylum — are both decisions the Trump administration has made.

Other administration officials back up Trump by pointing to the laws that give extra protections to families, unaccompanied children, and asylum seekers. The administration has been asking Congress to change these laws since it came into office, and has blamed them for stopping Trump from securing the border the way he’d like. (Those aren’t “Democratic laws” either; the law addressing unaccompanied children was passed overwhelmingly in 2008 and signed by George W. Bush, while the restriction on detaining families is a result of federal litigation.)

In that context, the law isn’t forcing Trump to separate families; it’s keeping Trump from doing what he’d perhaps really like to do, which is simply sending families back or keeping them in detention together, and so he has had to resort to plan B.

 

[Aaron]

But we don’t have to adhere to a system that punishes children. What they are doing right now is declaring war on kids as a deterrent.

Dude, when did you drink the Kool-Aid?

 

[Aaron]

The answer is to secure the border, and I think there should be some kind of retaliation against Mexico for enabling this invasion.