The U In The TULIP Doctrine

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>When I read of election in the Bible, and the sweet hope that God foreknew me as a depraved wretch, and yet loved and chose me long before I in anywise existed, I rejoice with great joy. When we further consider that while like others, we deserved to be condemned according to our works when ruled by sin, and yet the Lord has now saved us, "not according to our works," but according to His own purpose and grace given or stored in Christ for us before the world began when we think of this I say, we are filled with gratitude and praise to God. Now we feel sweetly constrained to love and obey our Lord. We no longer yield to the carnal mind to fight against God and His word, but we now believe the Bible and "rejoice in the truth." Yes, we rejoice that we were chosen in Christ before the world--not as Spiritual Two-seedism claims that we were in Christ before the world, but the choice was in Christ before the world, in Christ is where we were chosen, "when as yet there was none" of us. We read in Eph. i. 4, "According as He hath chosen us in Him before the foundation of the world that we should be holy."<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

This was a excerpt from one of the sermons of one of our past Elders M.D. Denman around the turn of the century.

The doctrine of Unconditional Election is as true today as its ever been. God did not choose us because of anything he saw in us. He chose us before Adam sinned although God certainly knew Adam would sin. He didn't look through each of our lives and chose us for the goodness he saw in us. According to the doctrine of Total Depravity he couldn't choose us, because their was no goodness in us. For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God.

Romans 9:11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth ;

12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.

13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.

15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.

16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.

17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.

18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.

19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?

20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?

21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,

24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

25 As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.

26 And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.

No matter what anyone says against the doctrine of unconditional election it can't be overthrown because it is sound doctrine and Gospel... Good News!... Brother Glen

[ February 15, 2002: Message edited by: tyndale1946 ]

 

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>I'm not saying that final salvation is unconditional,it is not.But we must meet the condition of faith in Christ in order to inherit eternal life.Faith is not a condition for election,in fact it's just the opposite.Election is a condition for faith.It's because God chose us before the foundation of the world that He purchases our redemption at the cross and quickens us with irresistable grace and brings us to faith.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Do you believe that everyone of the elect will know Jesus Christ in time? What about the Jews are they embraced in the doctrine of election who don't believe in Jesus Christ to this day? Gods children are Gods children and it is true they may be in error but as far as election is concerned they are embraced in the beloved.

Unconditional Election does not go by nationality, creed, or deed. God is able and does save his people inspite of themselves no matter what they believe.

Romans 3:1 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?

2 Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.

3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?

4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

5 But if our unrighteousness commend the righteousness of God, what shall we say? Is God unrighteous who taketh vengeance? (I speak as a man)

6 God forbid: for then how shall God judge the world?

7 For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner?

8 And not rather, (as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil, that good may come? whose damnation is just.

9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;

10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

The Faith is in Jesus Christ but unlike others who think we work to get that election, we who have been delivered from darkness into his marvelous light, work out our own salvation because we already have it!... Brother Glen

 

James you didn't seem to understand me when I said creed. Creed is what you believe no matter what religion you are. The Jews don't know Jesus Christ or his Salvation are they of the elect? What about the Hindus, the Indians, the Budhist, the Muslims, the Mormons and the Jehova Witness to mention a few creeds are they of the elect?

When we speak of Unconditional Election that is just what it is. The only condition is that you were chosen in Christ before the world began. God chose them and he gave them to his Son and he saved them. The working of God in any of his childrens hearts are beyond our comprehension and his election of them because of his Sovereign Love we will not understand their fullness until we see God face to face... Brother Glen

 

Revelation 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.

11 And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God,

12 Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.

Revelation 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

11 And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands;

12 Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing.

13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.

14 And the four beasts said, Amen. And the four and twenty elders fell down and worshipped him that liveth for ever and ever.

That Brethren is Unconditional Election... Brother Glen

[ March 04, 2002, 04:11 PM: Message edited by: tyndale1946 ]

 

Ray if you had been reading all along when we started with the letter T I stated this is not Calvins doctrine. He is just the one that coined the term TULIP Jesus is the author of his own doctrine.

Speaking of the Catholic Church they don't believe in this doctrine and they are 300 years to late as this is Apostolic doctrine passed on by the ultimate teacher of God... His only begotten Son Jesus Christ ... Brother Glen