The uniformity of the efforts of liberals

[Wesley Briggman]

The following paragraph is from Spurgeon's morning devotional for this morning. He is observing and contrasting the difference in cohesiveness and lack thereof between God's enemies and God's followers.

“This morning let us note enough to sharpen our zeal during this day by the aid of the Holy Spirit. See the energy of the Papists, how they compass sea and land to make one proselyte, are they to monopolize all the earnestness? Mark the heathen devotees, what tortures they endure in the service of their idols! are they alone to exhibit patience and self-sacrifice? Observe the prince of darkness, how persevering in his endeavours, how unabashed in his attempts, how daring in his plans, how thoughtful in his plots, how energetic in all! The devils are united as one man in their infamous rebellion, while we believers in Jesus are divided in our service of God, and scarcely ever work with unanimity. O that from Satan's infernal industry we may learn to go about like good Samaritans, seeking whom we may bless!”

(Above quote from: Charles H. Spurgeon March 2, 2018 Morning Reading This has been brought to you by the following ministries:Blue Letter Bible”)

The observation is a clear and fitting contrast between liberal, progressive democrats and conservative, traditional non-democrats. The liberal group tend to be openly anti-Biblical, anti-God and anti-traditional. The conservative tends to take the opposite position in most cases.

 

[Jerome]

Ugh. Please read:

SBC's Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission - "How Would Spurgeon Vote?" by Christian George, curator of the Spurgeon Library at Midwestern Baptist Theological Seminary

 

[Wesley Briggman]

Ugh. Please read:

SBC's Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission - "How Would Spurgeon Vote?" by Christian George, curator of the Spurgeon Library at Midwestern Baptist Theological Seminary

Firstly, I pay no attention to SBC's opinion. Secondly, it appears the point of my post eludes your compression. I simply made a comparison between Spurgeon's observation of the cohesiveness of God's enemies, as he saw it, with my observation of conservative's enemies as I see it along with the divisiveness on the supportive side of each group.

Frankly, I don't see any connection within that context as to how Spurgeon would vote or his political bent.

Just sayin'. Have a good rest of your time.

 

[thatbrian]

The following paragraph is from Spurgeon's morning devotional for this morning. He is observing and contrasting the difference in cohesiveness and lack thereof between God's enemies and God's followers.

“This morning let us note enough to sharpen our zeal during this day by the aid of the Holy Spirit. See the energy of the Papists, how they compass sea and land to make one proselyte, are they to monopolize all the earnestness? Mark the heathen devotees, what tortures they endure in the service of their idols! are they alone to exhibit patience and self-sacrifice? Observe the prince of darkness, how persevering in his endeavours, how unabashed in his attempts, how daring in his plans, how thoughtful in his plots, how energetic in all! The devils are united as one man in their infamous rebellion, while we believers in Jesus are divided in our service of God, and scarcely ever work with unanimity. O that from Satan's infernal industry we may learn to go about like good Samaritans, seeking whom we may bless!”

(Above quote from: Charles H. Spurgeon March 2, 2018 Morning Reading This has been brought to you by the following ministries:Blue Letter Bible”)

The observation is a clear and fitting contrast between liberal, progressive democrats and conservative, traditional non-democrats. The liberal group tend to be openly anti-Biblical, anti-God and anti-traditional. The conservative tends to take the opposite position in most cases.

I've often made the same observation.

Since these "progressives" have no central leadership, yet they do walk in lock-step, one obvious explanation is that Satan is giving the marching orders.

 

[just-want-peace]

I've often made the same observation.

Since these "progressives" have no central leadership, yet they do walk in lock-step, one obvious explanation is that Satan is giving the marching orders.

AMEN, AMEN, and AMEN

Truly it is most obvious that liberals, AS A WHOLE, are ANTI-:
Morality
Christian
American
Life
Honesty
Anything positive in life!!

Anything that is PRO-GOD, they are against.

And all you have to do is consider their platform(s)/actions/slander/bald faced lies, IE: thanking God (TALK ABOUT BLASPHEMY!?!?) for abortions, sanctuary cities/states, warning the criminal element that ICE is coming, etc., etc., ad infinitum!!!

 

[HankD]

Matthew 24:37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Luke 17:28 ...Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot;

 

[thatbrian]

AMEN, AMEN, and AMEN

Truly it is most obvious that liberals, AS A WHOLE, are ANTI-:
Morality
Christian
American
Life
Honesty
Anything positive in life!!

Anything that is PRO-GOD, they are against.

And all you have to do is consider their platform(s)/actions/slander/bald faced lies, IE: thanking God (TALK ABOUT BLASPHEMY!?!?) for abortions, sanctuary cities/states, warning the criminal element that ICE is coming, etc., etc., ad infinitum!!!

To be clear, (most) of these folks are unwittingly serving the purposes of Satan (as we all do when we chose sin over God's commands, BTW) Where these so called, "Progressives" differ is in their fixed and premeditated position to God's revealed will and law.

 

[Baptist Believer]

The observation is a clear and fitting contrast between liberal, progressive democrats and conservative, traditional non-democrats. The liberal group tend to be openly anti-Biblical, anti-God and anti-traditional. The conservative tends to take the opposite position in most cases.

That is a laughably broad brush treatment of many diverse people and organizations. I suggest that Jesus will divide the sheep and the goats quite differently, with a shocking amount of goats from the so-called "conservative" side and a shocking amount (to you) of sheep from the "liberal" side.

 

[Baptist Believer]

Since these "progressives" have no central leadership, yet they do walk in lock-step, one obvious explanation is that Satan is giving the marching orders.

Nothing like a good old satanic conspiracy for everyone to rally around, dehumanize others created in the image of God, and undermine any attempts to change the situation.

A better explanation is that they have a similar worldview and similar priorities. And even better explanation is that they are not living in a political echo chamber and are trying to deal with certain realities of life and culture. The best answer is that the perceptions of many in the right wing about the uniformity of belief on the left wing is greatly overestimated due to unfamiliarity with individual leadership and groups, as well as significant interaction with policy.

Regarding conspiratorial thinking here at Baptistboard, I remember when I first joined this forum more than 15 years ago I was almost immediately accused of being an atheist in disguise by one of the dominant personalities on the board at the time. She accused me of being an atheist since I seemed to be well-versed in Constitutional law and religious liberty issues. She had been in battles on some sort of atheist site and noticed that I often cited the same Supreme Court cases that they did - therefore, I had to be an atheist. In her mind, it had nothing to do with the fact that the atheists and I were arguing from objective reality (citing Supreme Court precedents) to explain previous decisions and the real state of law that currently exists regarding religious liberty. Apparently true Christians were not supposed to understand things like that and only embrace revisionist historians like David Barton.

So for about two years, I was routinely hit with allegations that I was an atheist pretending to be a Christian so that I could deceive others. Eventually, she got tired of that conspiracy and went on to others.

 

[thatbrian]

The platform of the Left speaks for itself. It is anti-Christ at every point. You can't be for Christ and against Him simultaneously. You can't kill babies, applaud and promote sodomy, encourage lawless "immigration", vote for politicians who are openly hostile to the Church, and yet wear a badge of christianity thinking we don't better.

 

[HankD]

Whatever we believe about the Second Coming we are indeed (IMO) in the days similar to those of Noah and Lot (Sodom).

Yes we have a MUCH better system of news media (satellite technology) than ancient times but that also follows after the prophecy in Daniel

Daniel 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

The children of God rejoice not to see these days but knowing that He is coming soon to take care of this miserable world of sin.

And yes we would be part of it except for His unspeakable gift.

Revelation 22:20 ... Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

 

[Wesley Briggman]

Nothing like a good old satanic conspiracy for everyone to rally around, dehumanize others created in the image of God, and undermine any attempts to change the situation.

A better explanation is that they have a similar worldview and similar priorities. And even better explanation is that they are not living in a political echo chamber and are trying to deal with certain realities of life and culture. The best answer is that the perceptions of many in the right wing about the uniformity of belief on the left wing is greatly overestimated due to unfamiliarity with individual leadership and groups, as well as significant interaction with policy.

Regarding conspiratorial thinking here at Baptistboard, I remember when I first joined this forum more than 15 years ago I was almost immediately accused of being an atheist in disguise by one of the dominant personalities on the board at the time. She accused me of being an atheist since I seemed to be well-versed in Constitutional law and religious liberty issues. She had been in battles on some sort of atheist site and noticed that I often cited the same Supreme Court cases that they did - therefore, I had to be an atheist. In her mind, it had nothing to do with the fact that the atheists and I were arguing from objective reality (citing Supreme Court precedents) to explain previous decisions and the real state of law that currently exists regarding religious liberty. Apparently true Christians were not supposed to understand things like that and only embrace revisionist historians like David Barton.

So for about two years, I was routinely hit with allegations that I was an atheist pretending to be a Christian so that I could deceive others. Eventually, she got tired of that conspiracy and went on to others.

Thank you for sharing your opinion of my application of Surgeon's observation. Glad to know you are not an atheist passing yourself off as a Baptist.

 

[FollowTheWay]

AMEN, AMEN, and AMEN

Truly it is most obvious that liberals, AS A WHOLE, are ANTI-:
Morality
Christian
American
Life
Honesty
Anything positive in life!!

Anything that is PRO-GOD, they are against.

And all you have to do is consider their platform(s)/actions/slander/bald faced lies, IE: thanking God (TALK ABOUT BLASPHEMY!?!?) for abortions, sanctuary cities/states, warning the criminal element that ICE is coming, etc., etc., ad infinitum!!!

What political party did Jesus hate? I suppose if you called the scribes and the pharisees a political party that could be an answer. He hated their actions because they were hypocrites, whitewashed on the outside but like a tomb on the inside. He wouldn't have aligned with either party but He most certainly would have hated your hypocrisy.

 

[FollowTheWay]

The platform of the Left speaks for itself. It is anti-Christ at every point. You can't be for Christ and against Him simultaneously. You can't kill babies, applaud and promote sodomy, encourage lawless "immigration", vote for politicians who are openly hostile to the Church, and yet wear a badge of christianity thinking we don't better.

What in the Republican platform supports the following things which were considered to be of paramount importance to the Lord?

[Mat 25:31-36 KJV] 31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: 32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth [his] sheep from the goats: 33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. 34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: 36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

 

[Wesley Briggman]

What in the Republican platform supports the following things which were considered to be of paramount importance to the Lord?

[Mat 25:31-36 KJV] 31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: 32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth [his] sheep from the goats: 33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. 34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: 36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

In your posts #'s 13 and 14 you address some interesting questions. I consider the Pharisees a religious sect rather than a political party. While they are condemned as a group, they will be judged as individuals.

While many social programs designed to meet the physical needs of people are done in God's name, not all of them are acceptable to God.

[Mat 7:21-23 KJV] 21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Praise God for the Grace He bestows upon His elect!!

 

[FollowTheWay]

In your posts #'s 13 and 14 you address some interesting questions. I consider the Pharisees a religious sect rather than a political party. While they are condemned as a group, they will be judged as individuals.

While many social programs designed to meet the physical needs of people are done in God's name, not all of them are acceptable to God.

[Mat 7:21-23 KJV] 21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Praise God for the Grace He bestows upon His elect!!

By mentioning the Pharisees, I was basically referring to the leadership of Israel. Since they were controlled by the Roman Empire their religious leadership would serve that purpose I think. Maybe the Sanhedrin is a better choice. My question was in response to statements made about Democrats being wholly immoral and anti-God. these are preposterous statements. I agree with you that God will look mat each of our lives individually and party affiliation will not be a factor. Why do you assume that stopping wide-scale abortion through a party plank is acceptable to God while helping the poor and needy in the same way is not? How can actively working to do away for aid to the poor as the republican party is doing be viewed as more acceptable than providing that help in the most reasonable way? My belief is that we really are going to be judged by what we've done for the Lord in His name and not just what we believe. I accept this passage in MAT 25 as being the most detailed statement of the final judgement in the Bible.

 

[HankD]

Jesus was both liberal and conservative. Liberal: At the feeding of the 5000 he asked nothing - no proof of citizenship, no proof of Jewishness. Just take and eat.

Conservative John 6:12 When they were filled, he said unto his disciples, Gather up the fragments that remain, that nothing be lost.

 

[Wesley Briggman]

By mentioning the Pharisees, I was basically referring to the leadership of Israel. Since they were controlled by the Roman Empire their religious leadership would serve that purpose I think. Maybe the Sanhedrin is a better choice. My question was in response to statements made about Democrats being wholly immoral and anti-God. these are preposterous statements. I agree with you that God will look mat each of our lives individually and party affiliation will not be a factor. Why do you assume that stopping wide-scale abortion through a party plank is acceptable to God while helping the poor and needy in the same way is not? How can actively working to do away for aid to the poor as the republican party is doing be viewed as more acceptable than providing that help in the most reasonable way? My belief is that we really are going to be judged by what we've done for the Lord in His name and not just what we believe. I accept this passage in MAT 25 as being the most detailed statement of the final judgement in the Bible.

Prior to this post, Democrat/democrats was/were mentioned twice: Post #1, my original post and post #16, your post. My post mentioned "liberal, progressive democrats" and was not intended to be all inclusive.

 

[FollowTheWay]

Prior to this post, Democrat/democrats was/were mentioned twice: Post #1, my original post and post #16, your post. My post mentioned "liberal, progressive democrats" and was not intended to be all inclusive.

Liberals and the left are used interchangeably here.
Post #5
Truly it is most obvious that liberals, AS A WHOLE, are ANTI-:
Morality
Christian
American
Life
Honesty
Anything positive in life!!

Anything that is PRO-GOD, they are against.

This is an absurd statement.