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This is not Egypt!

Discussion in '2007 Archive' started by DHK, Dec 11, 2007.

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  1. DHK

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    Teen dead after alleged attack by father

    http://www.cbc.ca/canada/toronto/story/2007/12/11/teen-attacked.html

    The only reason that this 16 year old teen was killed by her father was that she didn't want to wear a head covering (hijab). This isn't Egypt or Pakistan, etc. It is Canada.
     
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    No, this isn't Egypt....yet. They don't want to assimilate into our culture but bring their dreadful Islamic culture with them, trying to islamatize us.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3828675.stm
     
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    I'm not aware of how Egyptian or Pakistani culture and officials would react to a similar situation, but it is a terrible story of how a fierce holding to traditions can be deadly.

    The Christian equivalent of this story would be a Christian parent beating their child to death for becoming homosexual or getting an abortion. I pray it never happens.
     
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    No, it isn't.

    While I think beating anyone to death for anything is wrong in all cases (except for self-defense), abortion and homosexuality are not the [im]moral equivalents of head coverings. Abortion is wrong. Homosexuality is wrong. Period. Head coverings fall under personal conviction. A better analogy to head coverings would be listening to CCM or drinking alcohol in moderation, not abortion or homosexuality.
     
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    In some Muslim communities, a woman not wearing a hijab is wrong. Period. But a better comparison than abortion or homosexuality may be posing for Playboy.
     
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    I'm not into the whole relative truth thing. Are you? Abortion, homosexuality and posing for Playboy are all wrong according to the Word of God (either by direct statement or by principles taught therein). Head coverings do not fall into this same category.

    I get this feeling that you are somehow trying to equate Christians who say abortion, homosexuality (and now posing for Playboy) are wrong with Muslims who think not wearing a head covering is wrong. Is that what you are trying to argue here? I sure hope not.
     
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    You cannot compare the two faiths.

    Google Muslim mercy killings, they happen in exponentially larger numbers that these supposed similar Christain incidents.
     
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    I feel the anti-Muslims on this board will say that such a thing only happens to Muslims in Muslim countries because they are wrong and we are right. While I believe Christianity is true and Islam is false, I think Christians and those living in "Christian" nations are just as capable of the same sinful evil that Muslims are capable of and we should use these stories to guard our own hearts instead of to attack others.
     
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    No, a better comparison is wearing the hajib to women wearing bikinis. As for Playboy, no father or male family member has killed a playmate for poseing to protect a family's honor. The problem is these folks were not in a Muslim country they were in Canada. Regretfully, at 16 the girl was too young to move out on her own. I hope the Crown throws the book at them. Unfortunatley, Canada no longer has a death penalty for first degree murder.
     
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    I've never heard anyone say this type of thing only happens among Muslims. So you can put that strawman away. However, it is evident that these types of beatings and murders are much more common among Muslims than among any other religious group.

    If we are just as "capable" to do these things, why don't you find it happening nearly as often among Christians as you do Muslims?
     
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    You can compare two faiths. Why?

    Romans 2:14-15 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
    15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)

    God has already placed in their hearts what is morally right and morally wrong (the law), and they know it. They know that it is morally wrong for a father to kill a daughter. They also know that it is not morally wrong for a daughter to wear a head scarf (hijab), but simply a deep religious conviction, and perhaps one born out of pride. All Pakistani Muslims do not wear head scarves, for example. It is not a requirement among Muslims. The analogy would be more akin to whether or not a Christian woman should wear a head covering in church, for some beiievers think that is Scriptural. I would dare to venture that there are more Muslim women that are permitted to go without a head covering, then with one. It is the media that blows this out of proportion.

    Religons are not relative. The Bible is our one and only absolute. If the Bible gives liberty in such matters then it is not sin. It falls under Romans 14. For whatsoever is not of faith is sin. But nothing in that category warrants the death penalty, and death taken into one's own hands--muder.
     
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