This is that, Acts 2:16

[rlvaughn]

Acts 2:16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel

Beginning his sermon on the day of Pentecost, Peter refers to what the dwellers in Jerusalem have seen and heard, and references Joel 2:28-32, saying “this is that.” In what way is “this” (what they see and hear, the speaking in other tongues) “that” (what Joel prophesies)?

Some seem near to dismissing Peter’s accuracy and truthfulness, but at least he got close.

Peter never specifically shows how prophecy, visions, and dreams are identified with the phenomenon of speaking in tongues that everyone had heard. But he seems to use this passage since it is the nearest equivalent to tongues in Old Testament phraseology.

What do you think? How is this (the phenomena at Pentecost) that (Joel’s prophecy)?

 

[canadyjd]

“This” is the coming of Holy Spirit upon Peter and the Apostles as promised by “that” Joel’s prophecy the Spirit would be poured out on all flesh and those who called upon the name of the Lord would be saved.

peace to you

 

[Van]

Acts 2:16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel

Beginning his sermon on the day of Pentecost, Peter refers to what the dwellers in Jerusalem have seen and heard, and references Joel 2:28-32, saying “this is that.” In what way is “this” (what they see and hear, the speaking in other tongues) “that” (what Joel prophesies)?

Some seem near to dismissing Peter’s accuracy and truthfulness, but at least he got close.

What do you think? How is this (the phenomena at Pentecost) that (Joel’s prophecy)?

Acts 2:16 (NASB) but this is what has been spoken through the prophet Joel:

"This" refers back to the people appearing to be drunk, those who have had the Spirit poured out upon them.
"What" refers to what Joel had written in Joel 2:28-29.

 

[rlvaughn]

Acts 2:16 (NASB) but this is what has been spoken through the prophet Joel:

By highlighting this is what, are you suggesting that "this is what has been spoken" means something different that "this is that which was spoken," or something else?

“This” is the coming of Holy Spirit upon Peter and the Apostles as promised by “that” Joel’s prophecy the Spirit would be poured out on all flesh and those who called upon the name of the Lord would be saved.

"This" refers back to the people appearing to be drunk, those who have had the Spirit poured out upon them.
"What" refers to what Joel had written in Joel 2:28-29.

So I am understanding you both correctly that the "one to one" correspondence of Peter and Joel is only the coincidence of the pouring out of the Spirit, and that he perhaps just quotes the rest to give the context?

Thanks.

 

[Yeshua1]

“This” is the coming of Holy Spirit upon Peter and the Apostles as promised by “that” Joel’s prophecy the Spirit would be poured out on all flesh and those who called upon the name of the Lord would be saved.

peace to you

was it fully fulfilled at that timer, or still has a future fulfillment?

 

[atpollard]

So I am understanding you both correctly that the "one to one" correspondence of Peter and Joel is only the coincidence of the pouring out of the Spirit, and that he perhaps just quotes the rest to give the context?

I do not.

It was the mark of a new age. The beginning of the age described in Joel that opens with the pouring out of the Spirit, is followed by dreams and visions, and ends in the return of the great I Am to dwell among His People (if you skip ahead to the end of Revelation).

 

[Van]

By highlighting this is what, are you suggesting that "this is what has been spoken" means something different that "this is that which was spoken," or something else?
So I am understanding you both correctly that the "one to one" correspondence of Peter and Joel is only the coincidence of the pouring out of the Spirit, and that he perhaps just quotes the rest to give the context?

Thanks.

1) I was pointing to the correlation between the appearance of drunkenness, and what Joel wrote.

2) Yes, the this points specifically to their appearance. But the consequence of the spirit being poured out was much more than their appearance, which Peter addressed.

 

[37818]

". . . And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, . . . ."
". . . And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy: . . ."
". . . And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved."
That much of it. Of verses 17, 18 and 21. Note Romans 10:13.

 

[Iconoclast]

rlvaughn,

Acts 2:16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel

28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that
that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh;
and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:

29 And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.

30 And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.

31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and terrible day of the Lord come.

32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the Lord hath said, and in the remnant whom the Lord shall call.

This is that = Kingdom of God being established by the Spirit of God beginning a worldwide expansion.
Salvation was no longer confined to one nation, [Physical Israel]but was going to go into all the nations now to fulfill both the Abrahamic Covenant and of necessity the Covenant of Redemption.
The OT> Theocracy was coming to an end, The new Exodus was now leading the people into the new covenant kingdom.

 

[percho]

From Joel 2:28 YLT I do pour out My Spirit on all flesh

Does that take place all at once? What does, "all," mean?

Joel 2:28-32 YLT And it hath come to pass afterwards, I do pour out My Spirit on all flesh, And prophesied have your sons and your daughters, Your old men do dream dreams, Your young men do see visions. And also on the men-servants, and on the maid-servants, In those days I do pour out My Spirit. And I have given wonders in the heavens, and in the earth, Blood and fire, and columns of smoke. The sun is turned to darkness, and the moon to blood, Before the coming of the day of Jehovah, The great and the fearful. And it hath come to pass, Every one who calleth in the name of Jehovah is delivered, For in mount Zion and in Jerusalem there is an escape, As Jehovah hath said, And among the remnants whom Jehovah is calling!

Afterwards? Why does Peter go all the way to what we call verse 32 of Joel 2? Is what Peter says an actual quote of Joel 2:28-32?

Also lets consider a few things from the word of God. Afterwards?

Joel 7:39 YLT and this he said of the Spirit, which those believing in him were about to receive; for not yet was the Holy Spirit, because Jesus was not yet glorified.
1 Peter 1:21 YLT who through him (Jesus Christ) do believe in God, who did raise out of the dead, and glory to him did give, so that your faith and hope may be in God.

Also from that sermon of Peter, after 16-21 Acts 2:23,24,32,33 YLT this one, by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, being given out, having taken by lawless hands, having crucified -- ye did slay; whom God did raise up (out of the dead), having loosed the pains of the death, because it was not possible for him to be held by it, (Because of being sinless, unto death even the death of the cross.) 'This Jesus did God raise up, of which we are all witnesses; at the right hand then of God having been exalted -- also the promise of the Holy Spirit having received from the Father -- he was shedding forth this, which now ye see and hear;

Again, all at once? Who was the very first, One, to receive the promise of the Holy Spirit, thereby to be shed forth ?

Paul's question, not mine Gal 2:3 MINE this only do I wish to learn from you -- by works of law the Spirit did ye receive, or out of hearing of faith? ----- See how, "out of hearing, of faith," amplifies, " also the promise of the Holy Spirit having received from the Father -- he was shedding forth this, " takes the receiving of the Holy Spirit out of you doing anything, like believing, to receive the Holy Spirit and totally puts it in the hands of God as a gift?

Again, all at once? Chapter 15 of Acts is all about God pouring out the Spirit on whom he choses. Verse 8 YLT and the heart-knowing God did bare them testimony, having given to them the Holy Spirit, even as also to us, Verses 14,15 tells how God said in the OT that he was going to do that very thing.

And then, ? After that, afterwards, Jesus would return to set up the tabernacle of David,

WHY --- WHY --- WHY??? Verse 17

So the residue of man could seek the Lord and those call as a people for his name. VERSE 32 of Joel 2. The Spirit can be poured on them. also.


That is how I understand what Peter said in Acts 2.