This is the Third day

ITUTTUT'S UNDERSTANDing IS PERFECT

Wednesday fits exactly, removing contradictions. The women are needed to help solve this problem.

 

Dr Walter maybe the problem is in the translations. I have found one I like. I am a dead Wed to Sat guy. Would you like to guess the translation, if not just say no and I will post it. I had never heard of it before today. I might add Young's is also close because of one word he has but others do not.

I'm betting you know of this translation and it may not be an actual translation.

 

Being you read Greek and I know no Greek let me ask. Is there any implication in the Greek that the last day that had passed was the third day since: apo

I ask this because in Young's Literal uses the word passing and the following is the one I said I discovered but had never heard of before last night.

Bible in Basic English
Luke 24:21 But we were hoping that he would be the Saviour of Israel. In addition to all this he has now let three days go by from the time when these things took place;

Why do the have a passing or gone by tone to them?

 

Hasn't your argument been half-day counting? Also you have a coming forth on Sunday just shortly before noon, or in the afternoon. Thursday is not possible.

 

GE:

So what? You think nobody but Dr Walter knew it?

It helps nothing you make an issue of a non-issue to prove your non-issue an issue. It helps nothing to solve a problem by beating around the bush.

 

GE:

MUCH ADO ABOUT NOTHING!

That's what's he's been say'n!

Hitting a punch bag to shreds won't win anybody the belt!!

But you do far worse, Dr Walter; you make a video of you punching that bag, then sit down in your sofa and tell yourself, let's watch how silly GE acts.

 

GE:

Aah, Ituttut, on the tut!!!

You HAVE seen some light!

Thank God!

The problem in fact IS Dr Walter puts together by "half-day counting" PARTS of SEPARATE DAYS that in fact do form a 24 hour period each PAIR, BUT NOT _THE_ or any "DAY" (consisting of first night then day) THAT IS INVOLVED AND CONCERNED in Scriptures THAT DEAL WITH _THE_ "three days" on "the third day" -OF WHICH - "Christ rose from the dead"!

This is Dr Walter's BASIC fallacy, that he IDENTIFIES the simply COUNTED 'days' involved in Luke 24:21 "SINCE" the Crucifixion, with _THE_ "three days" MEANT, in the Prophecies and Promises and Law --- _THE_ "three days" of the PASSOVER of Yahweh, the 14th, 15th and 16th days of the First Month the Month-of-Passover. Which "three days" : "ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES" were to be "observed", "remembered", "kept", "kept holy", "obeyed", each, IN ITS OWN RIGHT AND REALITY of "three days and three nights" _OF_ THESE and NO other, days.

How can I make it clearer, "THREE DAYS THICK DARKNESS" OF "THE PLAGUE" that "was upon Him", the "three days" of the last two plagues in Egypt and of the exodus, ONCE FOR ALL FULFILLED IN AND BY AND THROUGH JESUS CHRIST on the 14th, 15th and 16th days of Passover Month, ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES" IN EVERY RESPECT, especially in respect of the GOD-GIVEN and therefore eschatological imperative WHOLENESS AND FULLNESS OF EACH AND OF ALL THREE DAYS TOGETHER.

Goodness, do I speak to infidels or infants or what?!

The REAL 'days' of the Word of God; not just three days since the Crucifixion on Abib 14, but THE "three days"

OF WHICH ABIB 14 WAS, QUOTE: "THE VERY FIRST DAY";

OF WHICH Abib 15 was, QUOTE: "the first day ye shall eat no leavened bread ... That Day "

OF WHICH Abib 16 was, QUOTE "the day after the sabbath ... ye shall wave the sheaf".

 

WHY is it you REFUSE to go by the unambiguous, simple and clear identifications which the GOSPELS - the NEW Testament - meticulously supply in DETAIL and in DIVERS manners of THESE "three days"?

I shall place them again right before your eyes:


Three days NT texts

All these Scriptures are in PERFECT AGREEMENT in every respect :


Abib 14, Wednesday night and Thursday day = Fifth Day ....

1A) HERE BEGINS the NIGHT and the FIRST of the “three days”, “according to the Scriptures” – the passover–Scriptures :–
wherein Jesus ENTERED IN in “the Kingdom of my Father” (Jesus’ Jonah’s descent to hell) :–
Mk14:12/17; Mt26:17/20; Lk22:7/14; Jn13:1.

1B) HERE BEGINS the MORNING of the FIRST of the “three days”, “according to the Scriptures” – the passover–Scriptures :–
in which Jesus was delivered and crucified :–
Mk15:1/Mt27:1/Lk23:1/Jn19:14

1C) HERE is the LATE NOON AND MID–AFTERNOON of the FIRST of the “three days”, “according to the Scriptures” – the passover–Scriptures :–
when Jesus DIED and was deserted by all :–
Mk15:37–41; Mk27:50–56; Lk23:44–49; Jn19:28–30


. . . . . .
Abib 15, Thursday night and Friday day = Sixth Day ....

2A) HERE BEGINS the SECOND of the “three days”, “according to the Scriptures” – the passover–Scriptures :–
the day whereon Joseph WOULD BURY the body of Jesus :–
Mk15:42/Mt27:57, Lk23:50–51, Jn19:31/38.

2B) HERE is the NIGHT of the SECOND of the “three days”, “according to the Scriptures” – the passover–Scriptures :–
wherein Joseph begged the body, and according to the law of the Jews – the passover’s law – undertook and prepared to bury Jesus:–
Mk15:43–46a; Mt27:58–59; Lk23:52–53a; Jn19:31b–40

2C) HERE is the LATE NOON AND MID–AFTERNOON of the SECOND of the “three days”, “according to the Scriptures” – the passover–Scriptures :–
when Joseph and Nicodemus laid the body and closed the tomb; and men and women left for home :–
Mk15:46b–47; Mk27:60–61; Lk23:53b–56a; JN19:41–42


. . . . . . .
Abib 16, Friday night and Saturday day = Seventh Day Sabbath....

3A) HERE BEGINS the THIRD of the “three days”, “according to the Scriptures” – the passover–Scriptures :–
THAT JESUS WOULD RISE FROM THE DEAD ON :–
Lk23:56b

3B) HERE is the MORNING of the THIRD of the “three days”, “according to the Scriptures” – the passover–Scriptures :–
Pilate ordered a guard “for the third day” :–
Mt27:62–66

3C) HERE is “IN the Sabbath’s Fullness MID–AFTERNOON” of the THIRD of the “three days”, “according to the Scriptures” – the passover–Scriptures :–
First Sheaf Wave Offering Before the LORD :–
Mt28:1–4.

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Abib 17, Saturday night and Sunday day = First Day ....

4A) HERE begins the day AFTER the “three days” (fourth day of the passover season) :–
that Jesus WOULD APPEAR on :–
Mk16:1, “When the Sabbath was past ..... they BOUGHT ....”

4B) HERE is the EVENING of this day,
Jn20:1–10 Mary sees the DOOR STONE was away from the tomb (discovers tomb has been OPENED);

4C) HERE is the NIGHT of this day,
Lk24:1–10 “DEEP(EST) DARKNESS” ––– “women with their spices” and ointments go to salve the body; “they found Him NOT” (discover tomb is EMPTY);
Mk16:2–8 “very early (before) SUN’S RISING” ––– women’s return–visit to ascertain; “they fled terrified and told NNE”.

4D) Here is sunrise (‘Sunday’ morning),
Jn20:11f, Mk16:9 “Mary had had stood behind” .... saw the gardener (sunrise); “Risen, early (sunrise) on the First Day, Jesus first APPEARED to Mary ....”
Mt28:5–10 “The angel explained to the (other) women (Mt28:1–4) .... As they went to tell .... Jesus met them” (after sunrise).
Mt28:11–15 Guard to high priests.

USE BIBLES OF BEFORE THE TWENTIETH CENTURY – they are not as wangled as the later ones. And compare those ancient translations with the modern ones to see the truth of the older ones!

 

Is Dr Walter tenacious or vexatious?

 

GE:

Dr Walter, Where did I “accuse” you “of ignoring part of this text”? Just like you here persist in making this text an issue between us now, so did you make it an issue between us before I even realised that we actually agree on it or that we both believe Crucifixion was on a Thursday. I have several times shown how we agreed, specifically on the “part of this text” which you are here moaning about, the meaning of the Preposition ‘apo’. So where did I “accuse” you “of ignoring part of this text”?

Then why would “GE's position require… the use of "ek" NOT "apo"”, hey, “Why?” while my “position” is exactly the same as yours?! Why do you shoot yourself in the foot for no reason at all?

Anyone can make a mistake, so, when YOU wrongly referred to “eis” in D&M’s circle, saying, “Eis begins WITHIN the circle to the outside”, I responded, <I remember Dana and Mantey’s ‘circle’, yes. You do not remember it, Dr Walter; anyway, you do not remember it correctly. It must have been an accident, Dr Walter, this, you’re saying, “prepositional chart using a circle … Eis begins WITHIN the circle to the outside”. But that is forgivable from the context of the present discussion.> That’s what I said. http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?p=1705314#post1705314)

Now, instead of admitting your mistake of then, you pretend as if I made mistake! But that is how I have come to know you, Dr Walter; characteristic of you…. Just take the following …

“GE's position requires the use of "ek" NOT "apo." Why? Because "ek" would include the day of crucifixion in his counting but "apo" excludes it.” You telling me what my “position requires”, that it does “NOT”, “require…” “"apo"”. Characteristic of you, yes, for sure!

What is wrong with your position – and this is what you won’t acknowledge –, is that OUR “counting” which is just Luke’s own “counting” as far as "apo" is concerned, is not the same as, and is irrelevant to, the “three days … it behoved the Christ to suffer” as “THUS IT IS WRITTEN” and referred to by Christ in Luke 24:46 and Matthew 12:40.

TWO, “three days” spoken of; written about— WHICH YOU ARE NOT BLIND FOR, BUT PRETEND BLIND TO!

What is wrong with your position – and this is what you ALSO won’t acknowledge – is, that THE “three days” “according to the Scriptures”— which are NOT referred to or alluded to or implied or even suggested in between verses 13 and 45— if these “three days” were supposed or meant by Luke in verse 21, and "ek" were employed, Luke then definitely would have said “today” Sunday was the FOURTH day. But since Luke does not use ‘ek’, “today” ‘Sunday’ was NOT ‘from inside / inclusive of’ the day “these things (delivered and crucifixion) happened” but “the third day SINCE” ‘apo’ “these things (delivered and crucifixion) happened”.

The ABSENCE of ‘ek’ proves Luke did not write and Cleopas did not speak of the “three days” “on the third day” of which Jesus rose again from the dead.

That; no more! And that is ALL, _IF_, SUPPOSED; NOT, as ACTUALLY, “three days” were in fact “counted” “since” the “crucifixion had happened” AS it is written IN LUKE and not ‘in the Scriptures’ in Prophecy, Promise or Law.

Cleopas does not explain to Jesus the events of the Prophetic “three Days”; He expresses his ignorance and lack of understanding.

Only when Jesus explained “how the Christ ought to have suffered as it is written” in the Old Testament are the “three days” first mentioned and are they the object of explanation— by the ONLY One Who at that stage knew anything or understood anything of the "three days" and "the third day" on which He in fact had raised from the dead.

 

GE:

Dr Walter, you UNABASHED AND UNASHAMEDLY just go on and on to make the most FALSE suppositions and arrogations and accusations unimaginable!

But I welcome it!

Now expose yourself for what you really are, and BRING HERE THE QUOTES WHERE I made THESE claims or statements or what ever ! BRING THEM HERE! PLACE THEM HERE, because what you HAVE PLACED HERE, I emphatically deny I ever stated or even vaguely implied.

If you are a man ... if you are a CHRISTIAN, PLACE MY OWN statements to the effect of what you are stating for truth in your own words with your own pen as if I am the author thereof. .

To end this debate, once for all, because I'll capitulate lock stock and barrel if you brought that stuff of mine, HERE!

God is my Witness.

 

Really interesting break-down of the 3 days, but as my Scripture professor from seminary would say to questions of this nature: "Does it really matter?" The point is that He really died, and is indeed risen.

It may be of interest to note that the gospels refer to Christ as dying on "the day of preparation" - in Greek παρασκυε (paraskeve), which means preparation, and which corresponds to our Friday. So call me a traditionalist here: I see Him in the Garden of Gethsemane on Thursday evening, brought before Pilate Friday morning, crucified at noon, dead at 3 PM, buried before sundown, in the tomb all day Saturday and Saturday evening, risen before dawn in the wee hours of Sunday morning. Friday afternoon(day 1) + Saturday (day 2) + early Sunday morning (day 3) = 3 days according to the Jewish way of keeping time. He rose ON the third day, not after the third day as some would have.

But again, no matter how we look at it, it doesn't matter a great deal. We have to remember that these things were written well after the fact, and the purpose is not so we can break it down, but to understand that Christ did die, was buried, and rose again.