Alan Dale Gross
Well-Known Member
While we are "Arguing Religion", millions, if not billions of lost souls haven't been reached according to them looking like they simply know nothing and are freely expressing the lies they have absorbed in their Total Depravity on their way to Hell.
There is NO FEAR OF GOD BEFORE THEIR EYES.
"If Richard Dawkins rejects the Bible as divinely inspired,
why not still acknowledge the wisdom, moral insights, and profound human truths it contains?"
Sample answers:
Atheism Now
Answered by
Jim Brown
Nov 1
Moral insights such as condemning non-believers to be horribly tortured forever by burning forever?
Moral insights such as torturing babies to death by drowning them all in a flood?
Moral insights such as stoning to death a man for picking up a stick on the sabbath?
Moral insights such as allowing a rapist to marry the woman he raped by paying her father some money?
Truths such as teaching things that have ZERO evidence to exist and much evidence against?
The few truths in the Bible were mostly things copied from things already known.
And, there are 100 times more immoralities, anti-wisdom things, and falsehoods than the few truths in the Bible.
Read your own evil book with the rational part of your brain, if you still have it. (more/see post at url link)
Sample 2:
https://atheismnow.quora.com/
Atheism Now
Answered by
Timothy Michael
Mon
Exactly what profound human truths would that be?
Even if we eliminate the problematic Old Testament, the New Testament’s message isn’t all that deep:
Sample 3:
Paul Conway
Studied at University of Hull (UK)Fri
"There is none so blind as he who will not see.
"Read your Bible with fresh eyes. Not with a built-in bias and forgiveness that causes you to skim over or ignore the bits that don't sound right. Be objective. You will find it ain't all it's cracked up to be.
If you want profound human truths, there are other sources. William Shakespeare. George Orwell. Adam Smith. Thomas Paine. Richard Dawkins. Daniel Dennett. Robert Sapolsky. Christopher Hitchens.
You are making an assumption that profound truths come from ancient people of 2 millennia ago. A time of terrible ignorance. Of male dominated societies. Of brutal punishments. Of pitiful ignorance about nature that led people to invent deities for every natural phenomenon.
"And your Yahweh began life as an invented god, of storms or something, and got promoted from running a snow-globe world to running an unverse 46 billion light years across and 14 billion years old. Quite a promotion. Based entirely on the logic of ‘well if the universe is bigger than we thought, then our petty little snow-globe god must be bigger too, so let's make him so'.
Leading to obvious reductio ad absurdum such as why it is necessary to have trillions of galaxies of billions of stars just so God can have one little rock orbiting an unimportant star where he has chosen to make the local squabbling bipeds into his best pals. How degrading for a god of such a collossal universe. An example of supremely arrogant anthropomorphic human self-importance.
Plus all the nonsense of omnipotence, omniscience, and omnipresence, which are incompatble, leading to arguments over Free Will, itself a ridiculous concept to start with, an invention that is not borne out by reality. And the ridiculous Trinity, that passeth human understanding, yeah, because it is logically inconsistent irrational nonsense.
Also what about all the crap like the Garden Of Eden, the Great Flood, Noah's Ark, Virgin Birth, walking on water, raising the dead, the Resurrection, all errant nonsense because we know now from basic science that they are all impossible, something that was NOT known 2 millennia ago. So reality has caught up with the Bible and is holding it to account, in fact has been doing so since the birth of the Great Enlightenment. We are fortunate to live in such a privileged age. But oh you want to ignore all that because it gets in the way of your wished-for simplistic fantasy."
Sample 4:
Gauis Cymeon
"Former Retired Army Tanker (19K), kilted warriorOct 26
Moral insights?
Like how to buy and treat your slaves? (Exodus 21:20–21, 26–27, Leviticus 25:43, 46)
Like how you can sell you daughter as a sex slave? (Exodus 21:7–11)
Like how to commit genocide? (1 Samuel 15:3, Deuteronomy 7:1–2, 20:16–17)
Like how to r@pe a girl you find attractive just after you killed her parents? (Deuteronomy 21:10–14)
Like how to bash babies against rocks? (Isaiah 13:16, Hosea 13:16 (or 14:1 depending on your translation))
Like having someone's wives r@ped for the crime of the husband? (2 Samuel 12:11–12)
Like killing a woman who doesn't bleed on her wedding night? (Deuteronomy 22:13–21)
Like killing some one who loves a person of the same sex? (Leviticus 18:22, 20:13)
Like having a womans hand cut off for protecting her husband from getting beat up, if during that she accidentally touches the other man's crotch? (Deuteronomy 25:11–12)
Like killing a woman who was r@ped if she didn't scream loud enough? (Deuteronomy 22:23–27)
Like how to get a wife by laying in wait near a well and when a virgin is near, r@pe her and make her your wife? (Judges 22:20–23)
Like r@ping a woman and paying her father 50 shekles of silver and make her your wife? (Deuteronomy 22:28–29)
Like killing children for making fun of a grown ass man by calling him baldy? (2 Kings 2:23–24)
Like human sacrifice? (Judges 11:34–35)
You mean these moral insights? Disgusting
Edit:
"I'll never get why they get angry. It's in your holy book! I didn't say it.
The above was either commanded by your God or He took responsibility for committing that action. Your book and belief say that He can do no wrong, that makes the above moral.
Again, it's in your holy book, so don't get angry with me, I didn't say it, He did."
Etc., etc., etc. More at: https://www.quora.com/If-Richard-Da...nsights-and-profound-human-truths-it-contains
There is NO FEAR OF GOD BEFORE THEIR EYES.
"If Richard Dawkins rejects the Bible as divinely inspired,
why not still acknowledge the wisdom, moral insights, and profound human truths it contains?"
Sample answers:
Atheism Now
Answered by
Jim Brown
Nov 1
Moral insights such as condemning non-believers to be horribly tortured forever by burning forever?
Moral insights such as torturing babies to death by drowning them all in a flood?
Moral insights such as stoning to death a man for picking up a stick on the sabbath?
Moral insights such as allowing a rapist to marry the woman he raped by paying her father some money?
Truths such as teaching things that have ZERO evidence to exist and much evidence against?
The few truths in the Bible were mostly things copied from things already known.
And, there are 100 times more immoralities, anti-wisdom things, and falsehoods than the few truths in the Bible.
Read your own evil book with the rational part of your brain, if you still have it. (more/see post at url link)
Sample 2:
https://atheismnow.quora.com/
Atheism Now
Answered by
Timothy Michael
Mon
Exactly what profound human truths would that be?
Even if we eliminate the problematic Old Testament, the New Testament’s message isn’t all that deep:
- be nice
- give up everything to follow Jesus, and you’ll be rewarded after you die
- listen to Paul when he nags you about doing Christianity wrong
Sample 3:
Paul Conway
Studied at University of Hull (UK)Fri
"There is none so blind as he who will not see.
"Read your Bible with fresh eyes. Not with a built-in bias and forgiveness that causes you to skim over or ignore the bits that don't sound right. Be objective. You will find it ain't all it's cracked up to be.
If you want profound human truths, there are other sources. William Shakespeare. George Orwell. Adam Smith. Thomas Paine. Richard Dawkins. Daniel Dennett. Robert Sapolsky. Christopher Hitchens.
You are making an assumption that profound truths come from ancient people of 2 millennia ago. A time of terrible ignorance. Of male dominated societies. Of brutal punishments. Of pitiful ignorance about nature that led people to invent deities for every natural phenomenon.
"And your Yahweh began life as an invented god, of storms or something, and got promoted from running a snow-globe world to running an unverse 46 billion light years across and 14 billion years old. Quite a promotion. Based entirely on the logic of ‘well if the universe is bigger than we thought, then our petty little snow-globe god must be bigger too, so let's make him so'.
Leading to obvious reductio ad absurdum such as why it is necessary to have trillions of galaxies of billions of stars just so God can have one little rock orbiting an unimportant star where he has chosen to make the local squabbling bipeds into his best pals. How degrading for a god of such a collossal universe. An example of supremely arrogant anthropomorphic human self-importance.
Plus all the nonsense of omnipotence, omniscience, and omnipresence, which are incompatble, leading to arguments over Free Will, itself a ridiculous concept to start with, an invention that is not borne out by reality. And the ridiculous Trinity, that passeth human understanding, yeah, because it is logically inconsistent irrational nonsense.
Also what about all the crap like the Garden Of Eden, the Great Flood, Noah's Ark, Virgin Birth, walking on water, raising the dead, the Resurrection, all errant nonsense because we know now from basic science that they are all impossible, something that was NOT known 2 millennia ago. So reality has caught up with the Bible and is holding it to account, in fact has been doing so since the birth of the Great Enlightenment. We are fortunate to live in such a privileged age. But oh you want to ignore all that because it gets in the way of your wished-for simplistic fantasy."
Sample 4:
Gauis Cymeon
"Former Retired Army Tanker (19K), kilted warriorOct 26
Moral insights?
Like how to buy and treat your slaves? (Exodus 21:20–21, 26–27, Leviticus 25:43, 46)
Like how you can sell you daughter as a sex slave? (Exodus 21:7–11)
Like how to commit genocide? (1 Samuel 15:3, Deuteronomy 7:1–2, 20:16–17)
Like how to r@pe a girl you find attractive just after you killed her parents? (Deuteronomy 21:10–14)
Like how to bash babies against rocks? (Isaiah 13:16, Hosea 13:16 (or 14:1 depending on your translation))
Like having someone's wives r@ped for the crime of the husband? (2 Samuel 12:11–12)
Like killing a woman who doesn't bleed on her wedding night? (Deuteronomy 22:13–21)
Like killing some one who loves a person of the same sex? (Leviticus 18:22, 20:13)
Like having a womans hand cut off for protecting her husband from getting beat up, if during that she accidentally touches the other man's crotch? (Deuteronomy 25:11–12)
Like killing a woman who was r@ped if she didn't scream loud enough? (Deuteronomy 22:23–27)
Like how to get a wife by laying in wait near a well and when a virgin is near, r@pe her and make her your wife? (Judges 22:20–23)
Like r@ping a woman and paying her father 50 shekles of silver and make her your wife? (Deuteronomy 22:28–29)
Like killing children for making fun of a grown ass man by calling him baldy? (2 Kings 2:23–24)
Like human sacrifice? (Judges 11:34–35)
You mean these moral insights? Disgusting
Edit:
"I'll never get why they get angry. It's in your holy book! I didn't say it.
The above was either commanded by your God or He took responsibility for committing that action. Your book and belief say that He can do no wrong, that makes the above moral.
Again, it's in your holy book, so don't get angry with me, I didn't say it, He did."
Etc., etc., etc. More at: https://www.quora.com/If-Richard-Da...nsights-and-profound-human-truths-it-contains