Those in hell for Arminianism and Calvinism

[Robert Snow]

We have a guy who embraces all the doctrinal errors of the charismatics, but gives thumbs up to fighting against calvinism, who in turn denies being an arminian in public, but in private embraces it.

Do you think it is a sin to lie? If so, you should avoid doing so yourself.

I never gave my "thumbs up" concerning charismatics, I just mentioned that they are not all the same, and in spite of their errors, they are closer to the truth than what many Calvinists believe.

Second lie. I denied being an Arminian because I am not one.

Again, as a "pastor" you should avoid telling lies about others, it isn't becoming.

 

[Amy.G]

Again, we have a demonstration of that which is completely unhelpful.

Robert, I want to caution you...especially because Luke2427 posted this:



To which you replied:



Now, whether you meant to or not, you are proving him right. I don't think you want to do that.

Your post in response to his post is tantamount to a parent telling a child to "quit acting like a child" to which the child responds "I'M NOT, I'M NOT, I'M NOT, NOT, NOT, NOT, NNNNNNOOOOOOOOOTTTTTTTTT!," proving the parent's point perfectly.

Unfortunately you are demonstrating (whether you realize it or not) that you are either unable or unwilling to engage in a conversation in which you maintain the dignity of your maturity and refrain from personal attacks or, at least, postings of an "attackish" nature.

If you would bristle greatly at someone doing this to you (which we all know you do), then you have no business doing this to someone who is a brother in Christ. Again...Do unto others...

The Archangel

Since you are playing the role of father and scolding the "children", why do you only scold one and not the other?

 

[preacher4truth]

Do you think it is a sin to lie? If so, you should avoid doing so yourself.

I never gave my "thumbs up" concerning charismatics, I just mentioned that they are not all the same, and in spite of their errors, they are closer to the truth than what many Calvinists believe.

Second lie. I denied being an Arminian because I am not one.

Again, as a "pastor" you should avoid telling lies about others, it isn't becoming.

Uh, that wasn't about you. You should probably not have assumed and gotten so "huffy wuffy" thinking it was you. :wavey:

Lighten up, Francis. :thumbsup:

 

[The Archangel]

Since you are playing the role of father and scolding the "children", why do you only scold one and not the other?

Simple. I don't read every post in every thread. Though we might agree in most (some?) areas of theology, Luke2427 is admittedly quite a bit more abrasive than I am. However, in this particular instance, it was Luke who made the statement accusing Robert and it was Robert who made the response that seemingly confirmed Luke's accusation. So, the response was based on the situation, not the theology of the persons involved in the exchange.

Had the roles or situation been reversed, I would likely have made the same comments to Luke.

The Archangel

 

[Robert Snow]

Uh, that wasn't about you. You should probably not have assumed and gotten so "huffy wuffy" thinking it was you. :wavey:

Lighten up, Francis. :thumbsup:

Since you posting directly followed mine without quoting any other poster, I took it to be a response to what I had said. Sorry! :love2:

 

[StefanM]

No educated person would say such a thing about Calvin.

I am attending Liberty University which is no friend to Calvinism.

But EVEN Liberty, as opposed as they are to the DoG, know that Calvin was a brilliant theologian and teach as much.

Only someone reading fundamentalist websites or listening to uneducated preachers would say such things.

In order to say such a thing one must call Jonathan Edwards biblically illiterate.

Encyclopedia Britannica elected Edwards as the most brilliant theological and philosophical mind in American History.

I have NEVER heard one who came from a REPUTABLE seminary, be it EVER so Arminian, say that Calvin did not understand the Word of God.

They may disagree with his conclusions but no educated people would make such remarks.

And no one is listening to Calvin.

We just believe that Calvin discovered the truths of the Word of God on these matters.

It was Luther and Calvin who brought us BACK to the Bible.

I agree.

Even if one disagrees with the conclusions of Luther and Calvin (with specific reference to monergism), it is quite unfair to assert that either of them did not understand the Bible. After all, soteriology isn't the only subfield of theology.

Also, we have to consider their contributions in context. In the context of the works-salvation propagated by the RCC, Luther and Calvin represented a marked improvement in biblical interpretation. That is, they actually attempted to interpret the Bible instead of relying on the magisterium and church tradition.

Even in reformation context, Calvin was probably the "best of the bunch."