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Three Bungled Stories On Russian Election Hacks All Demonstrate The Same Big Mistakes

Revmitchell

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The Washington Post’s three big stories on Russian meddling in the election in recent weeks all appear to shirk basic reporting standards, in one case forcing editors to issue an embarrassing correction, and in another to fend off a potential defamation lawsuit.

The problems with the reporting in the stories — Russian propagandists spreading fake news, the CIA’s assessment of Russia’s motive for hacking the election, and a botched report on Russians hacking a utility company — are as basic as failing to reach out to a major party or relying too heavily on anonymous sources. Let’s go through them one by one.

http://dailycaller.com/2017/01/03/t...-hacks-all-demonstrate-the-same-big-mistakes/
 

just-want-peace

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The snake has started to swallow it's own tail and can't seem to stop. The MSM & liberals are cutting themselves like the Baal priests when Elijah challenged them. May their tribe continue to self-destruct. :Whistling
 

TCassidy

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All of this speculation is to distract the public from the fact that Saudi Arabia funded over 25% of Hillary Clinton's campaign.

Talk about a foreign country influencing our election!
 

InTheLight

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All of this speculation is to distract the public from the fact that Saudi Arabia funded over 25% of Hillary Clinton's campaign.

Talk about a foreign country influencing our election!
Link?

Sent from my Moto Droid Turbo.
 

InTheLight

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We do know for certain that Trump solicited foreigners for donations, a violation of US election laws.

Sent from my Moto Droid Turbo.
 

Aaron

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We do know for certain that Trump solicited foreigners for donations, a violation of US election laws.

Sent from my Moto Droid Turbo.
Puh-leeze! You don't think the Dems would be all over that like flies on dog****?

Lol.
 

Revmitchell

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The hoopla over Russian is designed to pull attention from the content of those emails originally. Now it is being furthered to undermine Trumps win.
 

InTheLight

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Lol. I'm sure it was in the news. Just like the Russian hacking is in the news. Lol! :Roflmao

Let's believe Julian Assange, Vladimir Putin, and the Russian government instead of our own national intelligence services. Yeah, hilarious.
 

InTheLight

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The hoopla over Russian is designed to pull attention from the content of those emails originally.

"Hoopla" occurred after the election. The emails were the result of the hack, so I don't see how it's drawing attention away from them.

Now it is being furthered to undermine Trumps win.

He won. He will be the President in 15 days. Undermining it can't be done.
 

Revmitchell

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"Hoopla" occurred after the election. The emails were the result of the hack, so I don't see how it's drawing attention away from them.

sigh, the revelations of Podesta's email occured during the election.



He won. He will be the President in 15 days. Undermining it can't be done.

That may be what you believe but it is not what the dems believe.
 

TCassidy

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Here are just ten of the reasons the “Russian hacking” story is a sham — a left-wing twist on the red-baiting McCarthyism of the 1950s.

1. There is actually no new information leading the CIA to its conclusion. The New York Times reports: “The C.I.A.’s conclusion does not appear to be the product of specific new intelligence obtained since the election, several American officials, including some who had read the agency’s briefing, said on Sunday. Rather, it was an analysis of what many believe is overwhelming circumstantial evidence — evidence that others feel does not support firm judgments — that the Russians put a thumb on the scale for Mr. Trump, and got their desired outcome.” In other words, someone only decided after Trump won that the accusation was worth making.

2. The “evidence” that the CIA has gathered is inconclusive. The FBI also disagrees with some of the CIA’s conclusions about Russia’s motives. “While lawmakers were seemingly united on the need to present a strong bipartisan response, the FBI and CIA gave lawmakers differing accounts on Russia’s motives, according to The Post,” The Hill reported on Sunday.

3. The CIA is not making public claims that Russia hacked the election. Several CIA veterans, in fact, have urged caution about the leaked reports. As Newsweek reports: “‘I am not saying that I don’t think Russia did this,’ Nada Bakos, a top former CIA counterterrorism officer tells Newsweek, in a typical comment. ‘My main concern is that we will rush to judgment. The analysis needs to be cohesive and done the right way.'” Thus far there is not even a clear idea what the CIA’s conclusions are.

4. Despite left-wing “fake news,” there is no evidence Russian hackers actually distorted the voting process. The most that the CIA is alleging is that the Russians may have helped hack of the Democratic National Committee emails, as well as (possibly) the emails of Hillary Clinton campaign chaiman John Podesta. There is zero evidence Russian hackers messed with voting. Ironically, Green Party candidate Jill Stein’s recount has eliminated any doubt about the integrity of the results.

5. The Obama administration has a history of manipulating intelligence for political gain. The most under-reported scandal of Obama’s presidency was the CENTCOM scandal, in which it emerged that “senior U.S. Central Command (CENTCOM) leaders manipulated intelligence assessments in 2014 and 2015 to make it appear that President Barack Obama is winning the war against the Islamic State (ISIS/ISIL).” There is even more reason to doubt the truth of a selective leak about the election.

6. Julian Assange and Wikileaks have vigorously denied that the Russians were involved in Wikileaks’ disclosures. Of the Democratic National Committee emails, Assange said: “That is the circumstantial evidence that some Russian, or someone who wanted to make them look like a Russian, was involved, with these other media organisations. That is not the case for the material that we released.” Assange made similar denials about the Podesta email leaks later in the election.

7. The fact that the Russians might constantly be trying to hack U.S. systems, and might even specifically have targeted the election, does not prove that they succeeded. Nor does it prove that they tipped the election to Trump even if they had some effect. As pollster Frank Luntz tweeted: “Did Russia also hack Hillary’s campaign calendar and delete all her stops in rural Wisconsin, Penn., and Michigan?” Hillary Clinton lost the election for reasons entirely of her own making.

8. Foreign interference in elections is nothing new — and the Obama administration is a prime culprit. In 2015, the Obama administration made a strenuous and not-terribly-well-hidden effort to swing the Israeli elections toward the opposition and away from Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. The State Department gave $300,000 to a “pro-peace” Israeli group, which then paid political activists whose goal was to unseat Netanyahu. In 1984, the late Sen. Ted Kennedy (D-MA) actually asked for Soviet help. Russian efforts to intervene would be bad, but not unique, either for Russia or for the U.S.

9. What would the consequences of allowing undue Russian influence in our elections be, exactly? Would we yield primacy in Eastern Europe to Vladimir Putin? Would we give up our plans for missile defense? Would we make deep unilateral cuts in our nuclear arsenal in exchange for flimsy concessions ? Would we tolerate a Russian land invasion of a friendly, pro-Western country? Would we cede the Middle East to Russian hegemony? Because Hillary Clinton and Obama already did that.

10. Occam’s razor: the simplest explanation for the “Russian hacking” story is that it is “fake news” that suits the left-wing media. It is not unknown for Russia to use false propaganda to affect public opinion in foreign countries. Nor is it unknown for the U.S. media to use bias, “fake news,” and outright lies to shift public opinion in this country. The current focus on Russian “hacking,” based on no new evidence and — again — zero evidence of tampering with the voting process.

(Joel B. Pollak is Senior Editor-at-Large at Breitbart News. He was named one of the “most influential” people in news media in 2016. His new book, See No Evil: 19 Hard Truths the Left Can’t Handle, is available from Regnery through Amazon. Follow him on Twitter at @joelpollak.)
 

InTheLight

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Here are just ten of the reasons the “Russian hacking” story is a sham — a left-wing twist on the red-baiting McCarthyism of the 1950s.

1. There is actually no new information leading the CIA to its conclusion. The New York Times reports: “The C.I.A.’s conclusion does not appear to be the product of specific new intelligence obtained since the election, several American officials, including some who had read the agency’s briefing, said on Sunday.

So, there's no new evidence since the election. Big deal. So all the evidence was gathered before the election which makes sense since the email hack occurred before the election.

Rather, it was an analysis of what many believe is overwhelming circumstantial evidence — evidence that others feel does not support firm judgments — that the Russians put a thumb on the scale for Mr. Trump, and got their desired outcome.” In other words, someone only decided after Trump won that the accusation was worth making.

"What many believe".... "what others feel". So hearsay evidence. Right out of the Trump playbook of "Many people are saying" or "I've heard a lot of people talking about".


2. The “evidence” that the CIA has gathered is inconclusive. The FBI also disagrees with some of the CIA’s conclusions about Russia’s motives. “While lawmakers were seemingly united on the need to present a strong bipartisan response, the FBI and CIA gave lawmakers differing accounts on Russia’s motives, according to The Post,” The Hill reported on Sunday.

No one outside the CIA and FBI has seen the evidence, so how can it be deemed inconclusive?

CIA Director John Brennan says those who doubt Russia's involvement in the hacking of Democratic Party email accounts should keep an open mind on the issue until the agency's intelligence report is released.


"I would suggest to individuals who have not yet seen the report, who have not yet been briefed on it, that they wait and see what it is that the intelligence community is putting forward ... before they make those judgments," Brennan told PBS host Judy Woodruff on Tuesday.


3. The CIA is not making public claims that Russia hacked the election. Several CIA veterans, in fact, have urged caution about the leaked reports. As Newsweek reports: “‘I am not saying that I don’t think Russia did this,’ Nada Bakos, a top former CIA counterterrorism officer tells Newsweek, in a typical comment. ‘My main concern is that we will rush to judgment. The analysis needs to be cohesive and done the right way.'” Thus far there is not even a clear idea what the CIA’s conclusions are.

CIA Director John Brennan said in a Dec. 16 message to employees that the FBI agreed with the agency's conclusion that Russia's goal was to support Trump in the election. Brennan wrote that he also had spoken with Clapper and said "there is strong consensus among us on the scope, nature, and intent of Russian interference in our presidential election."

The nation's top intelligence official said Thursday that Russia undoubtedly interfered in America's 2016 presidential election but stopped short of using the explosive description "an act of war," telling lawmakers such a call isn't within the purview of the U.S. intelligence community.


In a joint report that roiled the presidential campaign last fall, the Homeland Security Department and the intelligence community said the U.S. was confident of foreign meddling, including Russian government hacking of Democratic emails.


In its assessment, the intelligence community has said Moscow interfered to help Republican Donald Trump win.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wire...ce-officials-testify-russian-hacking-44567436


4. Despite left-wing “fake news,” there is no evidence Russian hackers actually distorted the voting process. The most that the CIA is alleging is that the Russians may have helped hack of the Democratic National Committee emails, as well as (possibly) the emails of Hillary Clinton campaign chaiman John Podesta. There is zero evidence Russian hackers messed with voting. Ironically, Green Party candidate Jill Stein’s recount has eliminated any doubt about the integrity of the results.

Strawman. I don't know of any credible source that is saying Russia hacked voting machines or interfered in the voting process.

5. The Obama administration has a history of manipulating intelligence for political gain. The most under-reported scandal of Obama’s presidency was the CENTCOM scandal, in which it emerged that “senior U.S. Central Command (CENTCOM) leaders manipulated intelligence assessments in 2014 and 2015 to make it appear that President Barack Obama is winning the war against the Islamic State (ISIS/ISIL).” There is even more reason to doubt the truth of a selective leak about the election.

Divert, deflect, distort.


6. Julian Assange and Wikileaks have vigorously denied that the Russians were involved in Wikileaks’ disclosures. Of the Democratic National Committee emails, Assange said: “That is the circumstantial evidence that some Russian, or someone who wanted to make them look like a Russian, was involved, with these other media organisations. That is not the case for the material that we released.” Assange made similar denials about the Podesta email leaks later in the election.

Yes, that paragon of virtue and truth-telling, Julian Assange.


7. The fact that the Russians might constantly be trying to hack U.S. systems, and might even specifically have targeted the election, does not prove that they succeeded. Nor does it prove that they tipped the election to Trump even if they had some effect.

Yeah, so? Shouldn't we be concerned that Russia ATTEMPTED to influence our election? Shouldn't we have an inquiry?

As pollster Frank Luntz tweeted: “Did Russia also hack Hillary’s campaign calendar and delete all her stops in rural Wisconsin, Penn., and Michigan?” Hillary Clinton lost the election for reasons entirely of her own making.

Victim blaming.

8. Foreign interference in elections is nothing new — and the Obama administration is a prime culprit. In 2015, the Obama administration made a strenuous and not-terribly-well-hidden effort to swing the Israeli elections toward the opposition and away from Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. The State Department gave $300,000 to a “pro-peace” Israeli group, which then paid political activists whose goal was to unseat Netanyahu. In 1984, the late Sen. Ted Kennedy (D-MA) actually asked for Soviet help. Russian efforts to intervene would be bad, but not unique, either for Russia or for the U.S.

"We tried it, so it's OK if the Russians do it to us." or "Everybody does it, get used to it." Idiocy.

9. What would the consequences of allowing undue Russian influence in our elections be, exactly? Would we yield primacy in Eastern Europe to Vladimir Putin? Would we give up our plans for missile defense? Would we make deep unilateral cuts in our nuclear arsenal in exchange for flimsy concessions ? Would we tolerate a Russian land invasion of a friendly, pro-Western country? Would we cede the Middle East to Russian hegemony? Because Hillary Clinton and Obama already did that.

Would Russia gain sympathy from Trump supporters because they were behind exposing flaws and corruption at the DNC? Would Russia gain by sowing discord between the PEOTUS and the intelligence community? Yes and yes.

10. Occam’s razor: the simplest explanation for the “Russian hacking” story is that it is “fake news” that suits the left-wing media. It is not unknown for Russia to use false propaganda to affect public opinion in foreign countries.

So now the CIA, NSA, and FBI are pawns of the "left wing media." ?!!

Man, they are all powerful. It's simply astounding that Hillary lost.

Nor is it unknown for the U.S. media to use bias, “fake news,” and outright lies to shift public opinion in this country. The current focus on Russian “hacking,” based on no new evidence and — again — zero evidence of tampering with the voting process.

And it's not unknown for the right wing media to do the same thing. Oh, look, this article is by Breitbart "News". LOL!
 

Revmitchell

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<sigh> Revelation that Russians were behind the hack occurred after the election (or at least got widespread reporting after the election.)

sigh there has been no hack. There has been some emails revealed due to the use of a dumb password. There has been no so called "revelation". We in fact do not know who got into Podesta's emails account. That revelation of what was in his email did in fact occur during the election. The idea being floated and then treated by liberals as fact that Russia did it has yet to have actually been established. It is a claim. Nothing more.

But hey maybe I need to get on board with reality much like the reality that said all the polls were right and Hillary would win the election.
 

InTheLight

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sigh there has been no hack. There has been some emails revealed due to the use of a dumb password. There has been no so called "revelation". We in fact do not know who got into Podesta's emails account. That revelation of what was in his email did in fact occur during the election. The idea being floated and then treated by liberals as fact that Russia did it has yet to have actually been established. It is a claim. Nothing more.

The CIA and the FBI (and umpteen other agencies) says that the Russians got into Podesta's emails with a fairly simplistic phishing scheme. On Trump's side you've got Julian Assange and Putin saying the Russians didn't do it.

You've also got Trump saying he's got information no one knows about that he will reveal on Wednesday, January 4th. Oops. That date passed and no information from Trump. Meanwhile, you've got the CIA saying a report will be released on Friday, January 6th, proving their allegations.
 
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