To My fellow Dispies: have you ever heard "partial rapture" theory?

[Gregory Perry Sr.]

My Answer is...

Jesus, Himself, said exactly what would happen when He returns in Matthew 13. He will send angels to gather the lost first & then the believers. There's not a single verse of Scripture which claims a super secret "rapture" of the Church. I believed that nonsense until I decided to search the Scriptures for myself.

Eisegesis is not a valid hermeneutic. I'll stick with Jesus' clearly spoken teaching over reading beliefs into Scripture.

Another thing, the same day Jesus returns, the very elements of the universe will be destroyed by a "fervent heat". His Second Coming will not be stretched out over a 1,007 year period. We will all be taken out just before creation is destroyed & recreated.


But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. (2Peter 3:10-13)

Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear. (Matt 13:43

Brother, I will have to study out the passage you quote from 2 Peter and see how and where it falls in comparison and in context with the other end-time scriptures but my short answer to what you assert and claim to be "nonsense" is simply Revelation chapter 20. The events listed there are the final events in the history of this present physical world that we now reside in. After that, all things will be burned up and re-Created new. However, I do look forward to being able to dwell on this earth while my Saviour rules and reigns in this present world for 1000 years as the Word of God declares. It will be a glorious precursor to a sinless eternity beyond any of the constraints of time and space. By the way...His "second" coming...when He sets foot ON this earth won't happen after 1007 years. It will happen 7 years after His coming "in the air" for His Bride.FYI. Now Brother...I know you don't believe that....but I promise you....YOU WILL ONE DAY....and maybe very soon!(I hope)

Bro.Greg:thumbsup:

 

[saturneptune]

Maybe you should have respect for the op since you are not a dispie and not try to derail the thread.

Maybe you should let others express their opinion. If you have a response based on Scripture or fact, it is one thing. Otherwise, as the Bible says, your posts are clanging symbols.

 

[michael-acts17:11]

Brother, I will have to study out the passage you quote from 2 Peter and see how and where it falls in comparison and in context with the other end-time scriptures but my short answer to what you assert and claim to be "nonsense" is simply Revelation chapter 20. The events listed there are the final events in the history of this present physical world that we now reside in. After that, all things will be burned up and re-Created new. However, I do look forward to being able to dwell on this earth while my Saviour rules and reigns in this present world for 1000 years as the Word of God declares. It will be a glorious precursor to a sinless eternity beyond any of the constraints of time and space. By the way...His "second" coming...when He sets foot ON this earth won't happen after 1007 years. It will happen 7 years after His coming "in the air" for His Bride.FYI. Now Brother...I know you don't believe that....but I promise you....YOU WILL ONE DAY....and maybe very soon!(I hope)

Bro.Greg:thumbsup:

Revelation is apocalyptic language & must be interpreted as such. Much of the language in Revelation that has been interpreted as literal is also found in the Old Testament, but I've never hear a dispensationalist claim it to be literal in the OT. How does Christ's straight forward teaching that the lost will be taken out first fit into your pre-trib rapture, where the church is secretly taken out first? Do you believe there are multiple raptures? For dispensationalism to be true, there must be.