To Vax or Not to Vax

[percho]

That is the question?

Judges 21:25 YLT In those days there is no king in Israel; each doth that which is right in his own eyes.

1 Samuel 8:7 YLT And Jehovah saith unto Samuel, 'Hearken to the voice of the people, to all that they say unto thee, for thee they have not rejected, but Me they have rejected, from reigning over them.

Now 1 Samuel 8:10 - 22 states what most of the rulers will be like. Who will most of the rulers look out for? Why will most be that way? Does it have anything to do with the following?

Hebrews 2:5 KJV For unto the angels hath he not put in subjection the world (the inhabited earth) to come, whereof we speak. ------- What, inhabited earth to come, were they speaking of?
Is there implication there that some world (inhabited earth is subject to influence by angels, either good or bad ones, consider; Rev, 12:9 KJV And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Consider; Eph 6:12 YLT because we have not the wrestling with blood and flesh, but with the principalities, with the authorities, with the world-rulers of the darkness of this age, with the spiritual things of the evil in the heavenly places;

Who are these angels (good or bad) influencing ? This age? Is that the very same age Jesus speaks of as this age in Luke 20:34 YLT And Jesus answering said to them, 'The sons of this age do marry and are given in marriage, --- Does that go back to Gen 2:24,25 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh. And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.

Influence, with the spiritual things of the evil, of the darkness of this age Gen 1:2,4 - enter chapter 3 of Genesis, the knowledge of good and evil, V 7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.

but Me they have rejected, from reigning over them.
Mark 1:14 KJV Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,
John 3:5 NKJV Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
Luke 20:35,36 YLT but those accounted worthy to obtain that age, and the rising again that is out of the dead, neither marry, nor are they given in marriage; for neither are they able to die any more -- for they are like messengers -- and they are sons of God, being sons of the rising again.
Acts 15:16,17 YLT After these things I will turn back, and I will build again the tabernacle of David, that is fallen down, and its ruins I will build again, and will set it upright -- that the residue of men may seek after the Lord, and all the nations, upon whom My name hath been called, saith the Lord, who is doing all these things. ------ compare to
Joel 2:32 KJV And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.
Rev 20:6 KJV Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

For unto the angels hath he not put in subjection the world (Inhabited earth) to come, whereof we speak. But one in a certain place testified, saying, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? or the son of man, that thou visitest him? Hebrews 2:5,6

Rabbit hole - And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

Vax or Un-vax, does it matter?

Consider Job and his flesh and blood, family.

 

[Conan]

We know that evil billionaires are making untold billions if not trillions off of the vaccines . They probably caused the virus in the first place. Why should we trust them? We should not. We already know their evil people. We should trust God not evil men and their lying news media outlets.

that being said if you think the vaccines are a good idea go ahead. I am not anti vaccines at all. I just don’t personally want it. I would hate to be forced to do it. If it was going to cost my job I may be forced to, but would absolutely hate it.

the current political party seems interested in curtailing personal liberties. Doing the will of the “billionaires “.

 

[Martin Marprelate]

The story is told of a man who was called on by the police. "You'd better get out of here!" They told him. The river has burst its banks and there will be a terrible flood!"
"No," he replied. "If there's danger, I will trust God to save me."
But soon the whole area was flooded, and the man was sitting on the roof of his house as the waters swirled beneath him. A rescue boat came by. "Jump in the boat," they told him. "It's going to get worse!"
"No," he replied. "If there's danger, I will trust God to save me."
Then a police helicopter flew over and dropped a rope down to him. "Hang onto the rope," they cried. "Your house will soon be swept away!"
"No," he replied. "If there's danger, I will trust God to save me."
But soon after, his house was indeed swept away, and the man drowned.
When he got to heaven, he asked God, "Why didn't You save me? I was trusting in you!" God replied, "Well, I sent you a car, a boat and a helicopter; what more did you want?"

God has graciously provided these vaccines for us, and if we refuse them we have only ourselves to blame if we end up very sick.

 

[Two Wings]

God has graciously provided these vaccines for us, and if we refuse them we have only ourselves to blame if we end up very sick.

I will tell of my experience with The Lord ... and that experience expressly rejects this notion that the virus is something I need to fear so much as to take this substance into my temple of The Holy Spirit.

Luke 4:30. Before I was led to this passage in March '20 ... I was spooked. I was taking actions which revealed I was spooked; afraid. Consumed with the information I was being given from the media/government.

Therefore, I oppose the mandates but I expect they will come because they are of this world. The days are evil and these days are bringing all these things which not only fail to reduce the threat, but magnify it for what seems to be the purpose of magnifying the secular government and consolidating power.

I know these days are here and they are not Godly. God is in control and this is part of His plan to allow these things to happen ... and so they are. It requires discernment to see it and I don't claim to see everything, but because of God's grace and His revelation through His Word ... I do not fear this thing and therefore I realize there are better ways to attend to this virus' threat than to receive this new type of vaccine which uses my own body to produce a toxin.

I try to avoid seeming like "I have the only way" as if it is The Gosepl because of my experience. The challenge for me has been to show the grace shown to me ... but I know these 3 cv vaxes are NOT of God for God does not cause the bad and these things do. I knew there was significant potential for bad events before they were deployed a year ago. Likewise, it's impossible to say with certainty how effective the cv vaxes are in preventing hospitalization/death because before the cv vaxes we saw radically different responses to the virus' infections.

I recognize there are folks who want to believe the cv vaxes are the thing to do above all else and bristle at any inkling of a response which doesn't have full promotion and celebration. However, there's plenty to see it's worth a question ... every time the opportunity is afforded; question it don't simply accept it like it's the Gospel truth either. Cause it is NOT.

If an adult wants to accept this cv vax ... their business. I won't presume to tell someone their business, but if I am asked, I am going to offer extreme caution is warranted ... which doesn't play to the celebration/promotion as we saw from some places

The bottom line ... seek God in this. Get into your war room and earnestly seek Him. I can accept that some (few) are given to Mark 16 it ... to demonstrate God's power over the virus AND the vaccine ... but clearly if EVERYONE is seeking this, then it's no longer God because He works in the impossible.

So, until I am shown otherwise by the Still Small Voice ... I will continue to pass through its midst and go on my way ... washing my hands before I eat, eating a proper diet (which is just about 180 out from the FDA food pyramid), try to get a little sunshine and exercise, perhaps a vit c/d supplement ... and avoid licking public toilet seats

 

[percho]

A note to all. I created this thread yesterday just out of the blue not knowing why, really but probably relative to something I read in the news forum and did not think it belonged there. For some time scripture has convinced me the the foundation of the world here upon the earth was because of warfare between God and the devil. I have tried to express that in many post without, I feel, much result in doing so, thus the post last night. I have never heard of the person in the following and saw this short 4-5 min vid on bitchute and started to listen. About half way through I paused and looked him up on Duck Duck Go. Then came over here to see what response there had been to the above thread. The following is the vid and one address from the DDG search which I also have never heard of.

Rudolf Steiner on the TRUE purpose of Vaccines (bitchute.com)

In 1917 Rudolf Steiner Foresaw a Vaccine that Would ‘Drive All Inclination Toward Spirituality Out of People’s Souls’ (renegadetribune.com)

Might want to follow some of the source leads in the article.

Born in 42 I had all the child hood vaccines, and took one flu shot in either 19 or 20 because my Dr was always pushing to do. so. The push for this, "vaccine," has always turned me off for some reason and especially now when it really hasn't been very effective and still the push heading to babies. Something is wrong.

Thus Eph 6:12 as an answer. Something ain't right. IMHO

Now I am going to finish the vid.

 

[JonC]

I will tell of my experience with The Lord ... and that experience expressly rejects this notion that the virus is something I need to fear so much as to take this substance into my temple of The Holy Spirit.

Luke 4:30. Before I was led to this passage in March '20 ... I was spooked. I was taking actions which revealed I was spooked; afraid. Consumed with the information I was being given from the media/government.

Therefore, I oppose the mandates but I expect they will come because they are of this world. The days are evil and these days are bringing all these things which not only fail to reduce the threat, but magnify it for what seems to be the purpose of magnifying the secular government and consolidating power.

I know these days are here and they are not Godly. God is in control and this is part of His plan to allow these things to happen ... and so they are. It requires discernment to see it and I don't claim to see everything, but because of God's grace and His revelation through His Word ... I do not fear this thing and therefore I realize there are better ways to attend to this virus' threat than to receive this new type of vaccine which uses my own body to produce a toxin.

I try to avoid seeming like "I have the only way" as if it is The Gosepl because of my experience. The challenge for me has been to show the grace shown to me ... but I know these 3 cv vaxes are NOT of God for God does not cause the bad and these things do. I knew there was significant potential for bad events before they were deployed a year ago. Likewise, it's impossible to say with certainty how effective the cv vaxes are in preventing hospitalization/death because before the cv vaxes we saw radically different responses to the virus' infections.

I recognize there are folks who want to believe the cv vaxes are the thing to do above all else and bristle at any inkling of a response which doesn't have full promotion and celebration. However, there's plenty to see it's worth a question ... every time the opportunity is afforded; question it don't simply accept it like it's the Gospel truth either. Cause it is NOT.

If an adult wants to accept this cv vax ... their business. I won't presume to tell someone their business, but if I am asked, I am going to offer extreme caution is warranted ... which doesn't play to the celebration/promotion as we saw from some places

The bottom line ... seek God in this. Get into your war room and earnestly seek Him. I can accept that some (few) are given to Mark 16 it ... to demonstrate God's power over the virus AND the vaccine ... but clearly if EVERYONE is seeking this, then it's no longer God because He works in the impossible.

So, until I am shown otherwise by the Still Small Voice ... I will continue to pass through its midst and go on my way ... washing my hands before I eat, eating a proper diet (which is just about 180 out from the FDA food pyramid), try to get a little sunshine and exercise, perhaps a vit c/d supplement ... and avoid licking public toilet seats

I related to you a si.ilar experience, but with God leading me to be vaccinated, comforting me in that path, and using that for His work.

I believe we are to be faithful, to follow our conscious, even when that leads us to make different decisions.

I would never doubt your conviction here. I do not question when somebody says "God told me".

But it is one thing for you to follow your convictions and another for you to try to convince others to follow your convictions.

This is why I would not, except in jest, tell you that you need to be vaccinated. I do not know what you need. You should follow your conscious, follow God, and make up your own mind. None of my business.

Your post highlights why. If God has led you to refuse a shot then who am I to speak against God.

If God has led me to be vaccinated, evidenced His hand through the fruits of this decision, then you should also not be "the adversary" or a stumbling block to my (or other's) obedience.

We do not know what the future will bring. You do not know that the vaccines are not effective. Time will tell. BUT each person should be faithful and not discourage others to be unfaithful.

 

[Two Wings]

If God has led me to be vaccinated, evidenced His hand through the fruits of this decision, then you should also not be "the adversary" or a stumbling block to my (or other's) obedience.

which is why I acknowledge there IS Mark 16.

Actually we do know about the effectivity ... we have had a couple of loaded cruise ships with all cv vaxed folks ... have a breakout.

If "effective" only means "you won't get it as bad" it MAY be effective. I say MAY because the end of 2019 and all of 2020 we were without these injections and the reactions to infection were WIDELY varied. Therefore, how can one conclusively say "you wouldn't have had it as bad" if you'd just taken the shot?

clearly one can still be infected and ... clearly ... one can STILL pass it along.

Taking the shot means one of two things; blindly following the counsel of men because of a credential ... or two ... Following God's direction for you to be one of the exceptions demonstrating His power over the virus and the vaccine.

As for this stat of more dying from the infection ... meh. Given the radically erroneous accumulations about this entire ordeal, I'm unconvinced. I'm unconvinced because the CDC admitted last year the attributions to the virus were 90 something percent off. That seems significant (xsarc). Italy admitted the same (plus/minus the number).

we have a lot of people who are claiming Mark 16 direction. I suppose we could run down the discussion of name it/claim it as if it's my will be done. But that's how I see it.

I want to avoid being personally offensive, but sometimes the truth isn't what we want it to be.

 

[Martin Marprelate]

We know that evil billionaires are making untold billions if not trillions off of the vaccines .

It seems that the super-rich are indeed becoming super-richer as a result of the Pandemic for a variety of reasons, but this link does not include vaccines among them.
https://www.hl.co.uk/news/2021/12/7/pandemic-boosts-super-rich-share-of-global-wealth

 

[Revmitchell]

We shouldn’t be so cavalier with claiming what God has led us to do. I doubt many who make such claims would be willing to stand in front of God and try to accuse Him of these things. Apparently there is a lack of the fear of the Lord.

 

[JonC]

We shouldn’t be so cavalier with claiming what God has led us to do. I doubt many who make such claims would be willing to stand in front of God and try to accuse Him of these things. Apparently there is a lack of the fear of the Lord.

I agree. Often the "proof is in the pudding". And this proof only served to confirm God's hand.

This is one reason why I praise God for giving men the ability to make vaccines.

Not knowing what God intends for another person, this is why I refrain from accusing them of disobedience in their decision.

But others do seem to curse God for His work.

 

[Aaron]

That is the question?

Judges 21:25 YLT In those days there is no king in Israel; each doth that which is right in his own eyes.

1 Samuel 8:7 YLT And Jehovah saith unto Samuel, 'Hearken to the voice of the people, to all that they say unto thee, for thee they have not rejected, but Me they have rejected, from reigning over them.

Now 1 Samuel 8:10 - 22 states what most of the rulers will be like. Who will most of the rulers look out for? Why will most be that way? Does it have anything to do with the following?

Hebrews 2:5 KJV For unto the angels hath he not put in subjection the world (the inhabited earth) to come, whereof we speak. ------- What, inhabited earth to come, were they speaking of?
Is there implication there that some world (inhabited earth is subject to influence by angels, either good or bad ones, consider; Rev, 12:9 KJV And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Consider; Eph 6:12 YLT because we have not the wrestling with blood and flesh, but with the principalities, with the authorities, with the world-rulers of the darkness of this age, with the spiritual things of the evil in the heavenly places;

Who are these angels (good or bad) influencing ? This age? Is that the very same age Jesus speaks of as this age in Luke 20:34 YLT And Jesus answering said to them, 'The sons of this age do marry and are given in marriage, --- Does that go back to Gen 2:24,25 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh. And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.

Influence, with the spiritual things of the evil, of the darkness of this age Gen 1:2,4 - enter chapter 3 of Genesis, the knowledge of good and evil, V 7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.

but Me they have rejected, from reigning over them.
Mark 1:14 KJV Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,
John 3:5 NKJV Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
Luke 20:35,36 YLT but those accounted worthy to obtain that age, and the rising again that is out of the dead, neither marry, nor are they given in marriage; for neither are they able to die any more -- for they are like messengers -- and they are sons of God, being sons of the rising again.
Acts 15:16,17 YLT After these things I will turn back, and I will build again the tabernacle of David, that is fallen down, and its ruins I will build again, and will set it upright -- that the residue of men may seek after the Lord, and all the nations, upon whom My name hath been called, saith the Lord, who is doing all these things. ------ compare to
Joel 2:32 KJV And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.
Rev 20:6 KJV Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

For unto the angels hath he not put in subjection the world (Inhabited earth) to come, whereof we speak. But one in a certain place testified, saying, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? or the son of man, that thou visitest him? Hebrews 2:5,6

Rabbit hole - And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

Vax or Un-vax, does it matter?

Consider Job and his flesh and blood, family.

Slaves have no choice. One who killed his slave in the OT was not put to death, because his slave was his property. But kill a free man?

 

[atpollard]

I will tell of my experience with The Lord ... and that experience expressly rejects this notion that the virus is something I need to fear so much as to take this substance into my temple of The Holy Spirit.

Do you wear a seat-belt when you drive?
However you answer, is that a matter of prudence, folly, fear or trust?

 

[atpollard]

As for this stat of more dying from the infection ... meh. Given the radically erroneous accumulations about this entire ordeal, I'm unconvinced. I'm unconvinced because the CDC admitted last year the attributions to the virus were 90 something percent off. That seems significant (xsarc). Italy admitted the same (plus/minus the number).

The uncertainty is not the number of people that died, that is accurately known. Nor is there any 'uncertainty' about the number of people hospitalized. The uncertainty lies in estimating the number of people that had the disease and reported no symptoms because they were so mild. You cannot calculate what percentage of infected people die if you are uncertain how many people were infected but reported no symptoms.

You can accurately report an increase or decrease in the number of deaths or hospitalizations from week to week. You can also estimate a range of values from "everyone was infected and X people died" to "no one was infected that did not report it". Neither assumption is likely accurate, however the TRUTH must fall within that range.

 

[1689Dave]

People who've had COVID, twice as likely to get reinfected than those who get vaccinated, CDC