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Top Ten Reasons Why Men Should Not Be Ordained

Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by jaigner, Jun 21, 2011.

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  1. jaigner

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    Dear SBC,

    Enjoy.

    Your native son,

    jaigner

    What does everyone, Baptist or non-Baptist, think?

    Top Ten Reasons Why Men Should Not Be Ordained

    10. A man's place is in the army.

    9. For men who have children, their duties might distract them from the responsibilities of being a parent.

    8. Their physical build indicates that men are more suited to tasks such as chopping down trees and wrestling mountain lions. It would be "unnatural" for them to do other forms of work.

    7. Man was created before woman. It is therefore obvious that man was a prototype. Thus, they represent an experiment, rather than the crowning achievement of creation.

    6. Men are too emotional to be priests or pastors. This is easily demonstrated by their conduct at football games and watching basketball tournaments.

    5. Some men are handsome; they will distract women worshipers.

    4. To be ordained pastor is to nurture the congregation. But this is not a traditional male role. Rather, throughout history, women have been considered to be not only more skilled than men at nurturing, but also more frequently attracted to it. This makes them the obvious choice for ordination.

    3. Men are overly prone to violence. No really manly man wants to settle disputes by any means other than by fighting about it. Thus, they would be poor role models, as well as being dangerously unstable in positions of leadership.

    2. Men can still be involved in church activities, even without being ordained. They can sweep paths, repair the church roof, and maybe even lead the singing on Father's Day. By confining themselves to such traditional male roles, they can still be vitally important in the life of the Church.

    1. In the New Testament account, the person who betrayed Jesus was a man. Thus, his lack of faith and ensuing punishment stands as a symbol of the subordinated position that all men should take.
     
    #1 jaigner, Jun 21, 2011
  2. Salty

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    Doesnt this belong in the clean humor section? :type:
     
    #2 Salty, Jun 21, 2011
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    Perhaps. Or it could be fodder for discussion.
     
    #3 jaigner, Jun 21, 2011
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    Mr. Spurgeon had only one reason: Why lay empty hands on empty heads?

    He was never ordained.

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
    #4 Jim1999, Jun 21, 2011
  5. Michael Wrenn

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    Excellently funny!

    This made me think of the silly reasons given why women should not be ordained.
     
    #5 Michael Wrenn, Jun 22, 2011
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    I understood the thread title as meaning: "Ten reasons why it is not always right to ordain a man, a particular man." I expected the ten reasons to include things such as: "The man is not truly born again". "He displays no knowledge of the bible". "He doesn't believe that Jesus Christ is the only way, truth and life".

    Then I read the OP, and it seems the title actually means: "Ten Reasons Why Women (and not men) should be Ordained". :)
     
    #6 David Lamb, Jun 22, 2011
  7. jaigner

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    It's an exercise to highlight the ridiculous and extra-biblical reasons given for why women should not be ordained. Meaning: you'd better have a strong textual argument and not a bunch of silly logic.
     
    #7 jaigner, Jun 22, 2011
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    Thanks for explaining, jaigner. I think that either I must lead a sheltered life, or giving "ridiculous and extra-biblical reasons given for why women should not be ordained" is much more prevalent in your country than mine, because the reasons given against the ordination of women here are in the main biblical.

    I'm just wondering what sort of extra-biblical reasons you had in mind.
     
    #8 David Lamb, Jun 22, 2011
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    Right. It's sufficient to say "The Bible says men are to be pastors and women are not to teach or be in authority over men." That works for me!
     
    #9 annsni, Jun 22, 2011
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    It also says women should wear a head covering in church. Does your church require that? To be consistent, it should.
     
    #10 Michael Wrenn, Jun 22, 2011
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    Yep. I have my covering - my husband and my hair. :D
     
    #11 annsni, Jun 22, 2011
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    I haven't seen head coverings since my childhood days in the RC Church. But if you were 5 yo & watched that statue of Jesus long enough, Jesus would wink at you. No lie.
     
    #12 Earth Wind and Fire, Jun 22, 2011
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    Oh my gosh, you too???????????????
     
    #13 annsni, Jun 22, 2011
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    Many who still hold to the priesthood of the believer don't believe women should be ordained---or men either, for that matter.

    If it won't run your blood pressure tooooo high, read "Pagan Christianity", especially re clergy.

    You may not agree with it, but the reasons cited for not ordaining anyone are Biblical.

    And often the reasons to do so are cultural--pagan roman culture and greek culture.

    As to the OP, I found it hilarious. I actually heard one man pontificate that he could not EVER hear a woman preach, not for Biblical reasons but because he would be looking at her, get distracted by lust, and SHE would thereby have caused him to sin.

    OH MY GRACIOUS! Now, really, some of the male pastors I have known could be considered eye candy. Does that mean they should not have preached? Or does it mean I was responsible for my response?

    And please do not try the drivel that men have needs and drives and are enticeable but women are not.
     
    #14 nodak, Jun 22, 2011
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    It's sufficient for you to move straight from reading to application? What about interpreting the text?
     
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    What about it? It's pretty straightforward and even in interpretation, it means the same thing.

    You can have your women pastors and I will choose to never be under the authority of a woman pastor and we'll straighten it out on the other side.
     
    #16 annsni, Jun 22, 2011
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    Did you hear about the recent ordination at Redeemer Presbyterian in Manhattan?

    Youtube

    Transcript:

    In the last part of the video the congregation heartily pledges to render due obedience to "Deb" and the other ordinands.

    This is Tim Keller's church (PCA). Keller serves alongside Baptists Mark Dever, John Piper, and Albert Mohler on the boards of the Gospel Coalition and the Alliance of Confessing Evangelicals.
     
    #17 Jerome, Jun 22, 2011
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    The question is this: What is her role in the church? Is it to be a pastor or leader over men? What are her actual responsibilities? Then I can answer more fully.
     
    #18 annsni, Jun 22, 2011
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    Here is the official statement from Redeemer regarding women in ministry. According to this, they are following the Biblical model and not having this woman serve as an elder or deacon in the church but instead is filling a different role.

    http://www.redeemersa.org/helpfulpapers/Women in Ministry at RPC.pdf

    And here is an article explaining the commissioning (not ordaining) deaconesses.
    https://byfaithonline.com/page/in-the-church/the-case-for-commissioning-not-ordaining-deaconesses
     
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    1Pe 2:5 you yourselves like living stones are being built up as a spiritual house, to be a holy priesthood, to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.


    Nope nothing about ordination there.
     
    #20 mandym, Jun 22, 2011
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