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Rufus_1611 said:While you make some nice points and I might intend to agree with you on many, what you avoided was the point that he is a Universalist by his own words. If a Muslim says he's a Muslim, then he's not a Christian. If a Jew says he's a Jew then he's not a Christian. If a Universalist says there are many paths to the almighty, then he's not talking about the God that I serve. Either I'm a Christian or GWBush is but our two world views can not be reconciled and be called Christianity. If he believes that Muslims serve the same God that I do and have a different path to the almighty, then he is preaching a different Jesus.
"For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus [not Mohammed];" - 1 Timothy 2:5
If you have evidence of him repenting of this testimony or if you have evidence of his recent conversion to Christianity, I would be delighted to entertain it.
bound said:Salve!
I believe you or GWB or both are misusing the term 'Universalist' in it's original Christian sense and substituting said meaning with some kind of modernist Syncretism at best or Pluralism at worst. Historically, Universalists merely conflate the 'means of Salvation' (i.e. Christ's redemptive work on the Cross) with the 'act of Salvation' (i.e. belief and trust in Jesus Christ as one's Lord and Saviour).
CG: Do we all worship the same God? Christian? Muslim?
GB: I think we do. We have different routes of getting to the Almighty.
FriendofSpurgeon said:Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ (and and don't believe there are any other ways to heaven) and you shall be saved?? Wow --- where is this one in the Scriptures???
Other than being saved by God's grace thru faith, what else do you need to do?
"Apart from this intoxicating sensationalism, there is a sort of heaviness in the air. Do you not feel it? We are getting into the condition into which Germany fell not long ago. To this day, when talking with a German who is about joining our church, I usually find that he has lived in a country town. The devout German villager still attends public worship, but in the large towns a practical atheism is supreme. Why is this? The ministers have done it. They preached the people out of their faith in the Scriptures; they taught them to be doubters. The most mischievous servant of Satan that I know of is the minister of the gospel, who not only doubts the truth in his own soul, but propagates doubt in the minds of others by his criticisms, innuendoes, and triflings with words. Some ministers believe nothing except that nothing can be believed. Such a man's conscience is withered. In some modern ministers, the faculty wherewith to believe is extinct; they have played with words till they cannot be true if they try. Against this evil I have protested with my whole soul. People say, "Why did you not speak against these things twenty-five years ago?" I answer, "These evils were scarcely apparent then." Things are not now as in our early ministry. There has been a sudden growth of the toadstools of error. I never heard of Universalism then, nor of post-mortem salvation, nor of probation in the next state. Until very lately, I have not heard of ministers holding up the blood of Jesus to scorn. I will not, however, repeat the sad facts which have of late come to my knowledge, and pierced my heart. The times are out of joint. The world may well be careless, for the Church in many places is full of unbelief. I trust the present hurricane of evil may soon pass over; but anyone who has his wits about him will sorrowfully admit that the good ship of the Church is now tossed about with contrary winds, and needs that her Lord should come, and say to the winds and the waves, "Peace, be still." So far, I have borne before you "the burden of the Lord." - CH Spurgeon (Source: http://www.spurgeon.org/misc/aarm10.htm)
Basically, yes. He's not looking at God theologically, but morally (in terms of "good vs bad" works), as most in the world do. So the world tends to think killing is bad, but ignore the other commandments. So people who kill in the name of God (without "justification" according to our standards) they will acknowledge are "worshipping a false god", but anyone else, who minds their own business, and lives peacefully and "sincerely", they will accept as "worshipping the true God".Rufus_1611 said:About Osama and Zarqawi, Bush says he thinks they pray to a false God. By extension does this mean that non-terrorist Muslims pray to a true God and terrorist Muslims pray to a false God?