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NetChaplain

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How can one be “dead to sin” (Rom 6:2) and yet continue to possess its source, which is the “old man” (Eph 4:22; Col 3:9)? It’s scripturally certain that “dead” does not intend the eradication of the sin nature, nor the effects of it, or the Spirit would not need to oppose it (Gal 5:17), and the Apostle Paul would have not discovered its continual indwelling (Rom 7). We are not said to be in the sin nature (Rom 8:9), but it is in us! The sin nature being “crucified” (Rom 6:6) within believers separates (“sanctifies” - 2Th 2:13) them from being “in the flesh,” i.e. not condemned nor dominated by the sin nature (Rom 8:1; 6:12, 14). The crucifixion power of the Lord Jesus is applied to the old man and separates us from the natural desire for sin, which is seen in our prominent motive to continue to “shun evil” (1Pe 3:11).

Rebirth is transformation (Rom 12:2) from being dead in sin (Col 2:13)—to being “dead to sin” (Rom 6:2)! To “continue in sin” (Rom 6:1) is to desire and willingly serve sin, which is the only way one can respond in an unregenerate state, for there is no new nature to desire otherwise.

The Divine Nature of Christ was not created, thus the believer’s “new man” is not Christ’s nature, which has always been, but a nature that was created “after” His nature (Col 3:10), i.e. not in similitude of His deity but in the imputation of His holiness. This nature is the indwelling “seed,” which is that part of us that “cannot sin” (1Jn 3:9). It is the Spirit via the new nature that God “works in you” (Phl 2:13), thus it is the new nature and work of God that keeps those reborn from ever again desiring to sin willingly (Heb 10:26).

Paul demonstrates the indwelling of his new nature by the example of being a “captive to the law of sin” (Rom 7:23). The sense is that any sin committed by his old “I” is against the will of his new “I” (Rom 7:17, 20).

Again, the most significant issue concerning deliverance from sin lies not in the possession of its source nor in the commission of its works—but whether or not it’s the willful desire of the soul to sin!
 

timtofly

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The new nature is the work of the Holy Spirit in one's life. It is giving up one's will. But giving up is the power of God unto salvation. When your will is doing the will of God, in the power of the Holy Spirit, work is easy, and Jesus' burden is light.

Your old nature does not die. It is still there softly or loudly calling, just like the Holy Spirit was calling, while the old nature was in charge. Sin does not unsave you. Turning ones back after following the Holy Spirit to follow the flesh, could mess up your life, and in the end, totally reject the God you once loved and served. You took the burden and punishment of work, and sin, back. Once more claiming you alone can save yourself. God let your will change back to your way of doing things, once again contrary to God's will.
 

NetChaplain

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The new nature is the work of the Holy Spirit in one's life.
HI, and thanks for the reply and comments! Amen here, the Spirit of God is the Creator of our new birth (Jhn 3:6, 6, 8). I also believe that the Life He uses and implants in us in rebirth is not His but the Lord Jesus' (Col 3:4); but it is all by the Spirit's power, He being the Spirit of life (Rom 8:2, 10; Rev 11:11).

It is giving up one's will. But giving up is the power of God unto salvation.
I agree. As we've given our wills to sin, from now on it's giving our will to holiness (Rom 6:19), via the Spirit using our new nature from Christ--in the Father's inner "work" (Phl 2:13).

Your old nature does not die.
True and highly instructional to know! The sin source (old man) is in us, but we are not in it (i.e. after it - Ro 8:9). It's actually now enhanced in our perception of identifying it by the holiness we now see (Rom 7:13). I believe our learning what our evil is has manifested to us what God's holiness is (e.g. the Tree of knowledge of good and evil).

It is still there softly or loudly calling, just like the Holy Spirit was calling, while the old nature was in charge.
It's been said that it's like a ship at see whose crew finally declared mutiny on a corrupt captain and chained him to the mast, until he is dealt with when they reach the shore. But for the duration of the trip you can still hear him (it) shouting orders, but they are now meaningless to the crew because they know he is restrained from doing anything about his commands (Rom 6:6 - still restrained on the Cross until his final demise)!

Sin does not unsave you. Turning ones back after following the Holy Spirit to follow the flesh, could mess up your life, and in the end, totally reject the God you once loved and served.
This is the most instructional of these comments, because it has the most to do with our spiritual growth in Christ (Eph 4:15). Until the permanency of salvation is understood, there will be only minimal growth, and this is where many will be lacking until the translation of the Church, and will miss many rewards (1Co 3:14).

God bless, and God be blessed!
 
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