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Trump declines request to lower flags in memory of Capital Gazette shooting victims

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FollowTheWay

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The attack was carried out by some nutso who had a long standing vendetta against the newspaper. People get killed everyday in this country during a criminal attack and they don't get flags dropped to half staff, so what makes the victims of this crime so special?
Mass murder (5 killed).
 

FollowTheWay

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Flags are lowered too often. Should only be for death of public servants.
So you're saying they shouldn't have been lowered for the mass murder of the school children? I guess you don't like to be reminded how often that takes place in the "Wild West."
 

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So you're saying they shouldn't have been lowered for the mass murder of the school children? I guess you don't like to be reminded how often that takes place in the "Wild West."
I don't think it should be lowered for the mass shooting of school children.

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FLYING THE FLAG AT HALF-STAFF: The pertinent section of the Flag Code says, "by order of the President, the flag shall be flown at half-staff upon the death of principal figures of the United States Government and the Governor of a State, territory, or possesion, as a mark of respect to their memory. In the event of the death of other officials or foreign dignitaries, the flag is to be displayed at half-staff according to Presidential orders, or in accordance with recognized customs or practices not inconsistent with law.

In the event of the death a present or former official of the government of any State, territory, or possession of the United States, the Governor of that state, territory, or possession may proclaim that the National flag shall be flown at half-staff." The code also includes other related details including the specific length of time during which the flag should be displayed at half-staff, in the event of the death of a "principal figure"(e.g., 30 days for the death of a sitting or former President, 10 days for the death of a sitting Vice-President,etc.)."
 

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/t...f-capital-gazette-shooting-victims/ar-AAzv18p

Of course he did. They were members of the press and "enemies of the American people.'

Trump orders US flags lowered to honor slain journalists

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump has ordered U.S. flags on federal property be flown at half-staff through sunset Tuesday to honor five newspaper journalists slain in Maryland’s capital.

The order comes after Annapolis Mayor Gavin Buckley said Monday that Trump had declined his request to lower the flags.

Trump issued a proclamation Tuesday ordering the flags fly at half-staff through sundown.

The White House says Trump ordered the flags lowered as soon as he learned of the Annapolis mayor’s request.

https://apnews.com/24b8a520333d4987bd7aa7746e3ca7a1
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Annapolis Mayor Gavin Buckley is pressing for President Donald Trump to order that American flags be lowered to half-staff nationwide to honor the five men and women killed Thursday at the Capital Gazette newspaper office.

Gov. Larry Hogan ordered Maryland state flags to be lowered to half-staff on Friday through sunset on Monday.

Buckley, a Democrat, said he put in his request through members of Congress on Friday but had not heard a response from the White House as of Saturday afternoon.

“I’m not saying that he’s denying it, but it might not be a priority,” Buckley said.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/ma...bs-md-buckley-trump-flags-20180630-story.html

MSNBC headline "Trump Denies Request" and quotes Mayor Buckley.
Baltimore Sun quotes Mayor Buckley, "I'm not saying he's denying it [the request]"
 

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Trump orders US flags lowered to honor slain journalists

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump has ordered U.S. flags on federal property be flown at half-staff through sunset Tuesday to honor five newspaper journalists slain in Maryland’s capital.

The order comes after Annapolis Mayor Gavin Buckley said Monday that Trump had declined his request to lower the flags.

Trump issued a proclamation Tuesday ordering the flags fly at half-staff through sundown.

The White House says Trump ordered the flags lowered as soon as he learned of the Annapolis mayor’s request.

https://apnews.com/24b8a520333d4987bd7aa7746e3ca7a1
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Yu're right. This came after he refused to lower flags.It's hard to keep up with Trump's whims.

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump has ordered U.S. flags on federal property be flown at half-staff through sunset Tuesday to honor five people slain at a newspaper in Maryland’s capital.
The order comes after Annapolis Mayor Gavin Buckley said Monday that Trump had declined his request to lower the flags.
Trump issued a proclamation Tuesday ordering the flags to half-staff through sundown.
 

FollowTheWay

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I don't think it should be lowered for the mass shooting of school children.

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FLYING THE FLAG AT HALF-STAFF: The pertinent section of the Flag Code says, "by order of the President, the flag shall be flown at half-staff upon the death of principal figures of the United States Government and the Governor of a State, territory, or possesion, as a mark of respect to their memory. In the event of the death of other officials or foreign dignitaries, the flag is to be displayed at half-staff according to Presidential orders, or in accordance with recognized customs or practices not inconsistent with law.

In the event of the death a present or former official of the government of any State, territory, or possession of the United States, the Governor of that state, territory, or possession may proclaim that the National flag shall be flown at half-staff." The code also includes other related details including the specific length of time during which the flag should be displayed at half-staff, in the event of the death of a "principal figure"(e.g., 30 days for the death of a sitting or former President, 10 days for the death of a sitting Vice-President,etc.)."
I think you're right.
 

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It really sounds like Trump didn't answer the Annapolis mayor right away, so the mayor took it as a "no". Agree that this flag is lowered far too often, should only happen after military/statesmen's deaths, not for Muhammed Ali or Whitney Houston.

I think this is just MSM payback for when Obama took days to finally lower the flag after the Chattanooga, TN terrorist attack.
 

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WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump has ordered U.S. flags on federal property be flown at half-staff through sunset Tuesday to honor five people slain at a newspaper in Maryland’s capital.
The order comes after Annapolis Mayor Gavin Buckley said Monday that Trump had declined his request to lower the flags.
Trump issued a proclamation Tuesday ordering the flags to half-staff through sundown.

No, Mayor Buckley put in his request through friends in Congress. When he didn't hear anything back about it he said this about Trump,

"“I’m not saying that he’s denying it, but it might not be a priority,” Buckley said.
 

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Flags in NY State are at Half Mast.

The other day a HS principal was suicidal - (His estranged wife call authorities)
State Police showed up - shots were fired and a State Trooper was killed

The Governor ordered state Flags and the US to fly at half mast in honor of the trooper.
 

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Yu're right. This came after he refused to lower flags.It's hard to keep up with Trump's whims.

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump has ordered U.S. flags on federal property be flown at half-staff through sunset Tuesday to honor five people slain at a newspaper in Maryland’s capital.
The order comes after Annapolis Mayor Gavin Buckley said Monday that Trump had declined his request to lower the flags.
Trump issued a proclamation Tuesday ordering the flags to half-staff through sundown.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/ma...ite-house-flag-half-staff-20180703-story.html


Buckley had said Monday the White House declined the initial request the mayor submitted through members of Maryland’s congressional delegation. Buckley said he received word of Trump’s decision through Rep. John Sarbanes. Sarbanes’ office would not confirm whether it made the request. Sanders called Buckley on Monday night to confirm the request and said she’d get back to him Tuesday morning.
 

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So you're saying they shouldn't have been lowered for the mass murder of the school children? I guess you don't like to be reminded how often that takes place in the "Wild West."
You mean like in chicago, where the liberal dems have the strictest gun control in USA, and have been experiencing a war zone?
 

FollowTheWay

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You mean like in chicago, where the liberal dems have the strictest gun control in USA, and have been experiencing a war zone?
WRONG
Does a city with the toughest gun laws end up with worst gun violence

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...iolence/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.6f89f166dc75

The city got its reputation for having the toughest laws in the country because of two laws that are no longer on the books. The city used to have a gun registry, but that ended in 2013 when the city council voted to adopt the state’s concealed-carry laws. And in 2010, a federal appeals court struck down Chicago’s decades-old handgun ban. The decision followed a 2008 ruling by the U.S. Supreme Court in District of Columbia v. Heller that asserted the District of Columbia’s ban on handguns violated the Second Amendment, setting a legal precedent for the country.

Chicago is home to roughly 2.7 million people, while St. Louis’s population hovers around 315,000. When the numbers are analyzed on a per-capita basis, Chicago does not top the list. In 2016, St. Louis had the highest rate of non-fatal shootings with 660 per 100,000 people. Chicago, in contrast, had just 89 per 100,000 people. New Orleans had the highest rate of homicides in 2016, with 47 per 100,000 people. Chicago, in contrast had 16 per 100,000.

Even if Chicago or Illinois had the toughest gun laws in the country, it borders two states, Wisconsin and Indiana that have lax gun laws. A 2015 study from the University of Chicago demonstrated how permeable borders contribute to gun violence in Chicago. Researchers traced all new guns recovered from crimes between 2009 and 2013, and they found that 60 percent of the new guns used in gang-related crimes in the city, and nearly 32 percent of the new guns used in non-gang-related crimes, were purchased in other states.
 

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WRONG
Does a city with the toughest gun laws end up with worst gun violence

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...iolence/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.6f89f166dc75

The city got its reputation for having the toughest laws in the country because of two laws that are no longer on the books. The city used to have a gun registry, but that ended in 2013 when the city council voted to adopt the state’s concealed-carry laws. And in 2010, a federal appeals court struck down Chicago’s decades-old handgun ban. The decision followed a 2008 ruling by the U.S. Supreme Court in District of Columbia v. Heller that asserted the District of Columbia’s ban on handguns violated the Second Amendment, setting a legal precedent for the country.

Chicago is home to roughly 2.7 million people, while St. Louis’s population hovers around 315,000. When the numbers are analyzed on a per-capita basis, Chicago does not top the list. In 2016, St. Louis had the highest rate of non-fatal shootings with 660 per 100,000 people. Chicago, in contrast, had just 89 per 100,000 people. New Orleans had the highest rate of homicides in 2016, with 47 per 100,000 people. Chicago, in contrast had 16 per 100,000.

Even if Chicago or Illinois had the toughest gun laws in the country, it borders two states, Wisconsin and Indiana that have lax gun laws. A 2015 study from the University of Chicago demonstrated how permeable borders contribute to gun violence in Chicago. Researchers traced all new guns recovered from crimes between 2009 and 2013, and they found that 60 percent of the new guns used in gang-related crimes in the city, and nearly 32 percent of the new guns used in non-gang-related crimes, were purchased in other states.
All of this displays to as that the problem CANNOT be solved by gun control, as its the problem of unsaved acting out sinful desires!
 

FollowTheWay

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All of this displays to as that the problem CANNOT be solved by gun control, as its the problem of unsaved acting out sinful desires!
Exactly the opposite. Chicago's homicide rate has gone down relative to St. Louis and N Orleans and would come down further if sensible gun laws were in effect in the surrounding states. besides as the article points out the strict gun laws you talk about are no longer in effect in Chicago. What's your argument?
 
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