Trump Signs Executive Order to Promote Free Thought on Campus

[InTheLight]

Hmmm...I thought this was covered by the First Amendment? I guess not.
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• Today, the President is signing an Executive Order that promotes free speech on college campuses.
• Agencies will take appropriate steps to ensure that college and university campuses are places of free thought and debate.

President Donald J. Trump is Improving Transparency and Promoting Free Speech in Higher Education | The White House
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The government will have an agency that makes sure that college campuses are places of "free thought" and debate. The appropriate steps they will take to ensure that they are places of "free thought and debate" will be to withhold federal funds. So if the government determines that a college is not meeting their requirements for "free thought", money can be withheld.

I don't know about you, but that doesn't sit well with me.

Everybody OK with this plan?

 

[Baptist Believer]

The government will have an agency that makes sure that college campuses are places of "free thought" and debate. The appropriate steps they will take to ensure that they are places of "free thought and debate" will be to withhold federal funds. So if the government determines that a college is not meeting their requirements for "free thought", money can be withheld.

Hmm... Governmental "free thought" police?

I don't know about you, but that doesn't sit well with me.

Everybody OK with this plan?

It doesn't sit well with me either. The radical left and the radical right both like to shut down free thought and debate. I don't think adding a political agency to oversee campus discussion will help things at all.

 

[Salty]

Hmmm...I thought this was covered by the First Amendment? I guess not

Actually, NO, it is not covered by the First A. That only prohibits Congress from making a law. (eg- you many not say anything bad about Democrats)

A college can operate anyway it wants - and if they want to operate without goverment $$ that is their business.

Now, I am waiting for the Dems to make a big deal out of this. Will they say that a college has a right to prohibit certain speech?

Remember - Bob Jones U - was penalized for keeping the right not to allow inter racial dating. - oh - I keep forgetting that is not PC - so that was okay for the Feds to get involved........

Everybody OK with this plan?

I am - as it will protect the rights of minority students on some campuses.

 

[just-want-peace]

Hmmm...I thought this was covered by the First Amendment? I guess not.
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• Today, the President is signing an Executive Order that promotes free speech on college campuses.
• Agencies will take appropriate steps to ensure that college and university campuses are places of free thought and debate.

President Donald J. Trump is Improving Transparency and Promoting Free Speech in Higher Education | The White House
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The government will have an agency that makes sure that college campuses are places of "free thought" and debate. The appropriate steps they will take to ensure that they are places of "free thought and debate" will be to withhold federal funds. So if the government determines that a college is not meeting their requirements for "free thought", money can be withheld.

I don't know about you, but that doesn't sit well with me.

Everybody OK with this plan?

Without knowing the verbage of the EO, hard to say, but, BUT, something had/has to be done to reverse the gestapo tactics used by the left at places like Berkley et al!
I would prefer that the general public raise so much cain about such that it would solve itself, but so far doesn't seem to be happening.
Unfortunately the "silent majority" seems to just go along with the status quo as we have since the rebellious '60s, and I am one of the guilty. Guess that is the reason we are called "silent"!
But, as to your question, I am not OK with more "GOV'T MANDATES"!!

 

[Baptist Believer]

A college can operate anyway it wants - and if they want to operate without goverment $$ that is their business.

Not state universities... They have to abide by the law.

 

[Salty]

Not state universities... They have to abide by the law.

Yes, you are basically correct
However, it is not so much the law but State/Commonwealth policy.

 

[Reynolds]

Hmmm...I thought this was covered by the First Amendment? I guess not.
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• Today, the President is signing an Executive Order that promotes free speech on college campuses.
• Agencies will take appropriate steps to ensure that college and university campuses are places of free thought and debate.

President Donald J. Trump is Improving Transparency and Promoting Free Speech in Higher Education | The White House
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The government will have an agency that makes sure that college campuses are places of "free thought" and debate. The appropriate steps they will take to ensure that they are places of "free thought and debate" will be to withhold federal funds. So if the government determines that a college is not meeting their requirements for "free thought", money can be withheld.

I don't know about you, but that doesn't sit well with me.

Everybody OK with this plan?

You been to public college in last 20 years? I was free to receive poor grades for any non conforming thought.

 

[JonC]

Hmmm...I thought this was covered by the First Amendment? I guess not.
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• Today, the President is signing an Executive Order that promotes free speech on college campuses.
• Agencies will take appropriate steps to ensure that college and university campuses are places of free thought and debate.

President Donald J. Trump is Improving Transparency and Promoting Free Speech in Higher Education | The White House
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The government will have an agency that makes sure that college campuses are places of "free thought" and debate. The appropriate steps they will take to ensure that they are places of "free thought and debate" will be to withhold federal funds. So if the government determines that a college is not meeting their requirements for "free thought", money can be withheld.

I don't know about you, but that doesn't sit well with me.

Everybody OK with this plan?

To be fair, politicians typically don't know the stage they are setting at the time they are stage setting.

 

[InTheLight]

You been to public college in last 20 years? I was free to receive poor grades for any non conforming thought.

Have I been to a public college in the past 20 years? Yes, last Thursday. And quite frequently for the past four years. I don't attend but I'm there plenty. I also hear about what happens in classrooms and on campus thanks to my two sons who do/have attended.

So, you got bad grades for thinking things? Must be rough. Hopefully the President having a photo op and signing a piece of paper will help future students in your predicament.

 

[Reynolds]

[/QUOTE]

So, you got bad grades for thinking things? Must be rough. [/QUOTE]
No. Got bad grades when chose to express them in writing.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

Hmmm...I thought this was covered by the First Amendment? I guess not.
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• Today, the President is signing an Executive Order that promotes free speech on college campuses.
• Agencies will take appropriate steps to ensure that college and university campuses are places of free thought and debate.

President Donald J. Trump is Improving Transparency and Promoting Free Speech in Higher Education | The White House
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The government will have an agency that makes sure that college campuses are places of "free thought" and debate. The appropriate steps they will take to ensure that they are places of "free thought and debate" will be to withhold federal funds. So if the government determines that a college is not meeting their requirements for "free thought", money can be withheld.

I don't know about you, but that doesn't sit well with me.

Everybody OK with this plan?

Could it have more to do with inquiry in the process of forming opinion, as opposed to expressing it? If you are not even allowed to raise certain questions in the quest for truth, then that would indeed be policing thought. Consider (quotes found on Wikipedia):

‘"Without freedom of thought there can be no such thing as wisdom & no such thing as publick liberty without freedom of speech", Benjamin Franklin, 1722.’

‘U.S. Supreme Court Justice Benjamin Cardozo reasoned in Palko v. Connecticut (1937), “Freedom of thought... is the matrix, the indispensable condition, of nearly every other form of freedom. With rare aberrations a pervasive recognition of this truth can be traced in our history, political and legal.”’

 

[Bro. Curtis]

So now we’re pretending there’s no violence or intimidation of conservatives on college campuses.

 

[InTheLight]

So now we’re pretending there’s no violence or intimidation of conservatives on college campuses.

Please show us where anyone has said that.

I'm simply saying we already have the first amendment protecting free speech. In light of that a declaration by the President that there shall be free speech on campus seems unnecessary and then using the stick of withholding funding if the free speech does not meet his standard makes me a bit uneasy.

Imagine if Obama had done something like this.

 

[Wingman68]

Trump's free speech on campus order, Stanley Kurtz's take

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Please show us where anyone has said that.

I'm simply saying we already have the first amendment protecting free speech. In light of that a declaration by the President that there shall be free speech on campus seems unnecessary and then using the stick of withholding funding if the free speech does not meet his standard makes me a bit uneasy.

Imagine if Obama had done something like this.

I would support Obama enforcing free speech.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

Imagine if Obama had done something like this.

Yes, it's hard to imagine, as it would have been antithetical for Obama to do such a thing. His was a reign of terror that allowed these issues to grow out of control via BAMN, BLM, Antifa, riots supporting thugs, violence outside Trump rallies, “rogue” IRS agents “investigating” conservatives, even going after Hillary’s presidential rival, etc. Obama’s agenda had almost nothing in common with free speech, but rather the opposite.

 

[Salty]

Did you hear what happened at Oswego State?

Click here for story

 

[Wingman68]

Paul Craig Roberts Rages: Western Culture Has Died A Politically Correct Death

Several pertinent takes on zerohedge, which I agree with.