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NetChaplain

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In our relationship with the first Adam we had no freedom at all, the members of the old Adam being under obligation to furnish personal righteousness before God, as moral beings responsible to Him (in doing all he was told to do, e.g. “dress and keep” the Garden – Gen 2:15; avoid the Tree of knowledge of good and evil – v 16, 17; naming all the creatures – v 19, etc.—NC). But our position as believers is declared by Paul to have been perfectly secured in the risen Lord Jesus Christ; our responsibility in the fallen Adam and in connection with him having been met and discharged in our Federal Head, the Lord Jesus, who became sin for us at the Cross (2Co 5:21), “that we might become the righteousness of God in Him” (not literally becoming sin but rather made out to be sin, by imputation, i.e. sin or “iniquity laid on Him”- Isa 53:6 - and not in Him, for deity cannot become sin—NC).

To declare, therefore, that new creatures in Christ Jesus are under the law, either for salvation, or as a rule for Christian living is like unto prescribing rules to an apple tree. Simply seek to have the conditions of growth fulfilled and it will then bear fruit. So a human soul in order to “bear fruit unto God” (Rom 7:4), must live in that truth that sets it free (the tree doesn’t need rules to show it’s an apple tree, just application of what causes it to show what it is, e.g. dirt, water and sunlight, etc.—NC).

The Christian has been born from above and was never meant to be in any other state than the freedom of heaven, in his life and service. This is shown by the words “even so” or “likewise” in Romans 6:11. We are told in verse 10 that Christ having been made sin died unto sin “once for all” (Heb 10:10), but “the life He liveth, He liveth into God” (Rom 6:10). For that reason, since we are in Christ Jesus, having died with Him, we are to live as risen beings who died with Him; being now ourselves “alive unto God” in Him (Rom 6:11). The word “likewise” here (v 11) shows that “even as He is, so are we in this world” (1Jo 4:17). Presently He is not under law (as He was before His resurrection—NC), yet He delights in the will of the Father in the very spirit and essence of it, as His inner and absolute pleasure.

Pauls’ blessed doctrine that those who are in Christ Jesus are dead to the law and discharged therefrom (concerning the Jewish Christians—NC), is absolutely necessary to those who would “walk in the Spirit” and make progress in their spiritual growth. To be filled with the Spirit at one time, does not prove that we will be walking in the Spirit at a later time (we live in the Spirit, but we are taught the rest of our lives to walk in Him - Gal 5:25—NC). For example, Peter was filled with the Spirit on the day of Pentecost; but later, at Antioch, we find him “walking not uprightly according to the Gospel (Gal 2:14 – believers are always “after the Spirit” but none are always in step with Him, due the old man – Rom 8:5).

No blessing can take the place of the truth. “Ye shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free.” So, our Lord’s promise is, “Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.” If we have been taught to believe what is contrary to the written Word of God, although we may have blessings now and then, we cannot become established (“be conformed” in our walk – Rom 8:28—NC) in the risen Lord Jesus (Eph 4:15) until we see and receive the truth.

How can the Holy Spirit lead the saints of God except He leads them into truth? He is “the Spirit of truth!” To teach believers that they are under the law as a rule of life is to teach what is contrary to the Word of God (Gal 5:18); for the Spirit of God declares unto us in Romans 6 and 7, that we have died to the law that made such demands on us (e.g. perfect obedience, a non-expected impossibility—NC), that we could do nothing but sin, even in seeking to keep it! So that the Spirit saith, “Sin shall not have dominion over you, for ye are not under the law but under grace.”

We had to be discharged from the law so that we could serve the Father in the true spirit of service, which is always liberty and gladness (instead of fear of judgement—NC). The same blessed Spirit of God has distinctly written to us, that “we were made dead to the law by the body of Christ” (Rom 7:4; Heb 10:10); that our death with Him was a fact, and that we who are now in Him share that death, He being our Federal Head, “our Life” (Col 3:4), instead of Adam the first (1Co 15:45); because we, having died with the Lord Jesus, have been positioned before the Father with Him.



—Wm R Newell (1868-1956)
 

Alex2165

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"In our relationship with the first Adam we had no freedom at all, the members of the old Adam being under obligation to furnish personal righteousness before God"

What freedom we do not have in Adam? And how Adam can serve personal righteousness? Adam actually was a free man, he was not bound by anything, except the Tree.

GOD put Adam to work, and this is also make Adam very different from others, and not only as image of GOD from the rest of other creations, but also as a man to whom GOD assigned a certain duty. GOD did not assign any work for the animals.

GOD is the Creator and the Keeper of everything He had created, and Adam became His servant and keeper of GOD'S garden.

Concerning righteousness, how possible for Adam to be righteous if at first he did not know good or evil? At that stage Adam was completely innocent like a small child. So, what kind of righteousness in Adam mister Newell talking about?

Adam should be example of innocence to us, in order for us to be appointed as GOD'S workers, but this time not for earthly paradise like it had been done for Adam, but to be keepers of the Heavenly Paradise.

Matthew 18.3
3.and said, “Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like children, you will never enter the Kingdom of Heaven. (Matthew 18.3, 19.13-15) (Mark 10.13-16) (Luke 18.15-17)


"To declare, therefore, that new creatures in Christ Jesus are under the law, either for salvation, or as a rule for Christian living is like unto prescribing rules to an apple tree."

Indeed, "Christians" do not like rules. "Christians" considered themselves free from the Law, and because of such "freedom" they say and do whatever they want.

Love reveals itself in obedience. Just like a child who loves his Father and Mother will try to obey them and please them. And our Heavenly Father and His Son Jesus Christ expected from their children do the same, to obey their Word (Command) which is Their Statutes and Ordinances written in the Holy Book.

If you love GOD, you do not need His Law, because you will obey the Lord out of LOVE for Him. This is exactly that Apostle Paul tried to say in all his Epistles.

But what about if you have no LOVE for GOD and cannot possibly obey the Lord out of LOVE for Him?

In this case you may live and obey the Lord according to the Law of Moses - the Spiritual Commandments of Jesus Christ, which is will be very difficult to fulfill, but not impossible.

Paul also touched and this subject in his letters.

But what about if you not able to abide and with the Law? In this case you are nothing, you are outlaw and without GOD.


"“Ye shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free.” So, our Lord’s promise is, “Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.”"

So what the truth is? Truth is the word of GOD, His Laws, His Statutes, His Commandments, His Ordinances. Jesus taught only the Truth and because of it His is the TRUTH. Is any other truth exists?


"To teach believers that they are under the law as a rule of life is to teach what is contrary to the Word of God (Gal 5:18)"

If GOD is Truth, He is the Truth of the Law. How come it became contrary to the Word of GOD? Is not the Word of GOD is the Law? Does mister Newell contradict here himself?

Galatians 5.18
18.But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law (not subject to the Law out of fear of the Law but you are subject to the Law out of faith and love for the Law, which is the Word of GOD).

If someone led by the Holy Spirit, that person has LOVE for GOD, and so, he or she does not need Law, because he or she obeys the Lord and His Word-Law out of LOVE for GOD and His Law.

The Law will be useful only for those who do not have LOVE for GOD, instead, they must be guided by the FEAR of the Law and GOD in order to stay with GOD.

" “we were made dead to the law by the body of Christ” (Rom 7:4; Heb 10:10)"

Because Christ brought to us the LOVE for the Word-Law of GOD - the Spiritual Commandments of the Law of Moses, it had been said, "You shall love your GOD with all your heart and with your all soul."

Whoever Loves GOD - LOVES His Word, whoever LOVES His Word - LOVES GOD. It is very simple formula. Who LOVES the Father LOVES His Son, and who LOVES the Son LOVES the Father, whoever LOVES GOD LOVES His Word - Law.

Again, this is that Paul meant in all His writings. In two ways people can choose to be with GOD, out of Fear of GOD and out of Love for GOD, and there is no other way.
 

NetChaplain

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"In our relationship with the first Adam we had no freedom at all, the members of the old Adam being under obligation to furnish personal righteousness before God"

What freedom we do not have in Adam? And how Adam can serve personal righteousness? Adam actually was a free man, he was not bound by anything, except the Tree..
Hi, and appreciate your sincere comments! I think prior to the sin they were declared righteous in God blessing them and declaring that all He created was "good." This they obviously lost upon sinning and manifested the sin nature, thus became servants of sin, as the sin nature or "old man" causes (dominates) us to desire sin. Finally, the result is that man cannot provide personal righteousness, and I think the point of the writer concerning "being obliged to furnish personal righteousness" means that it can't be done, requiring God's righteousness.
 

Alex2165

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You absolutely right Net, the first Adam was completely innocent, the second Adam (after knowing good and evil) became defiled Adam and became mortal because of it.

Innocent people and people without deceit were very important to Jesus Christ, and this is why He chose the most simple and humble people to be His disciples.

Concerning numerous theologians who wrote millions of religious books, many of them are very far from the truth, and mostly promote church doctrines and traditional of point of view that church established for itself, which is does not reflect the true meaning, essence, and the Spirit of the Bible.

I noticed long ago that Christians in general read more theology and very little of Bible. So their point of view mostly based on theology and not on the truth of GOD.

What theology actually is? It is basically religious philosophy. While it is based on the statement and passages of the Bible, the interpretation on many places of the Book rest purely on denominational aspect of the writer or his only personal point of view.

Unfortunately majority of the people became followers of theology and not of the Word of GOD. Not surprising that in many churches I noticed absence of the Bibles, but plenty books of hymns.

I also noticed that some pastors repeating or paraphrasing certain theologists they chose for their sermon, and deliver that nonsense to the church. Why they do that? Because theology confuses people and most important never disturbs them, not like actual Scriptures of the Bible.

Theology promises believer very easy access to GOD without any struggle, works, or effort, and people love it, because they do not obligated to do anything, no requirements of any sort imposed on them comparing to the Bible, just wait for Jesus and He will take to Heaven and this is it.

This is why people staying in the church, because according to theologies you are already saved for Heaven, and more money you donated the better it will be for you, and more GOD will bless you.

But reading the truth of Jesus Christ, His Apostles, and the prophets, nothing is easy for a true Christian, and road to GOD is very difficult, treacherous, and dangerous.

Kingdom of GOD has very narrow Gate and one who want to get in have to force himself through it, but the gate of theology and all sorts of religious deceit is very wide and easy to pass through, and this is why majority of the people chose to go through the wide gate.

Do not follow theology Net, follow only Jesus Christ and you will never be lost.

GOD bless you.
 

NetChaplain

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Concerning numerous theologians who wrote millions of religious books, many of them are very far from the truth, and mostly promote church doctrines and traditional of point of view that church established for itself, which is does not reflect the true meaning, essence, and the Spirit of the Bible..
Hi and God bless! Thanks for the reply and comments. Concerning theology, it's like faith, there is no wrong faith or theology, only wrong claims of them, as there has always been many who do not truly seek truth but attempt to present it as such. This answers to the most important issue of staying in reading and studying the Word of God, so we can identify truth and error.
 

Iconoclast

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Christian's are not antinomian.
Your quotes from Newell are off the mark.
Roman's 3:31 rom13:8-10 heb 8
 

NetChaplain

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Christian's are not antinomian.
Your quotes from Newell are off the mark.
Roman's 3:31 rom13:8-10 heb 8
An observable lifestyle of morality is an indication and not a confirmation of obedience to God, though those who are regenerated by the Spirit will live after godliness and morality; and "the obedience of faith" in God (Rom 16:26) is always antecedent to obedience to Him in everything for without faith there is no obedience!
 

Alex2165

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Hi and God bless! Thanks for the reply and comments. Concerning theology, it's like faith, there is no wrong faith or theology, only wrong claims of them, as there has always been many who do not truly seek truth but attempt to present it as such. This answers to the most important issue of staying in reading and studying the Word of God, so we can identify truth and error.

Very well explained Net.

We cannot trust anyone, only GOD.

So, because of it for those who are not familiar with the Bible they should check the Scripture constantly and scrutinize every word that was said to them.

For those who familiar with the Bible, they already know very well what Scripture said and what it does not said, and the false message or speech can be quickly detected.

The Bereans did exactly that, they checked and compared the message given to them with the Scripture, and only after that they accepted the word.

Acts 17.10-11
10.That very night the believers sent Paul and Silas off to Beroea (NRSV) ("Berea" in KSB, KJV, ESV, Gideons, GNB), and when they arrived they went to Jewish synagogue.

11.These Jews were more receptive than those in Thessalonica, they welcomed the message very eagerly, and examined the Scriptures every day to see whether these things were so.
 
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