TWA 800 and Google Earth

LadyEagle · Apr 5, 2006

Article: http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=49593

"The only conclusion that can be drawn from this and other similar eyewitness accounts is that they saw something that was supersonic," he said.

Donaldson said readers can link to his Flight 800 Google Earth Project, after installing Google Earth, by following the instructions below.

Open Google Earth.

On the top menu bar, click on "ADD".

Then click on "Network Link".

Fill in the name field with "TWA 800" or another name to describe it.

Add the following link in the "Location" box: http://twa800.com/google-earth/flight-800.kmz

This should open a network link to the Flight 800 data. Click the triangle beside the link to expand the data. Double Click any link to "fly" to that location. Clicking on and off the check boxes will display or hide that information.
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tragic_pizza · Apr 5, 2006

This one has a lot more apocryphal support than the 9/11 nonsense. I still have to ask the question "why?"

Why would the government or the NTSB or whoever cover up a missile attack on an American airliner?

Hope of Glory · Apr 5, 2006

If it were to keep terrorism from working. In other words, to prevent terror. Also, an accident could feasibly be covered up, if there were compelling enough reason.

LadyEagle · Apr 5, 2006

I believe there are quite a few terror acts that have been covered up because the government didn't want to alarm American taxpayers. When 09/11 happened, the acts of terror could not be covered up. I also believe that plane that was downed right after 09/11 was another terror act.

npc · Apr 6, 2006

Bro. Curtis · Apr 6, 2006

Originally posted by LadyEagle:
I believe there are quite a few terror acts that have been covered up because the government didn't want to alarm American taxpayers. When 09/11 happened, the acts of terror could not be covered up. I also believe that plane that was downed right after 09/11 was another terror act.
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But I thought that 9/11 was an inside job. What about Charlie Sheen ?

LadyEagle · Apr 6, 2006

09/11 was an inside job & an outside job. Terrorists planted charges inside the building so it would implode when the jetliners crashed into them. That's not to say they didn't have help. That's my take on it, anyway. And that's not to say the government hasn't covered a lot up, which I've no doubt they have, so as to cover up their incompetence and corruption and failure to protect this Republic. IOW, they KNEW it was going to happen but did nothing to stop it. And, of course, the friends making money off of the whole tragedy.

LadyEagle · Apr 6, 2006

The other flight was Flight 587, by the way.

http://www.rense.com/general17/terrcc.htm

Magnetic Poles · Apr 6, 2006

Actually, Charlie Sheen had trained at an Al Qaeda camp in Quackistan, where he learned to conduct subversive acts against America. He then attended flight school at MS Flight Simulation Academy, where he learned to fly the planes into the buildings. He jumped out with a parachute just before impact at the WTC, because he still has a TV show to do. His original target, the White House, was changed, since Sheen didn't want to hit the place where his dad lives on "The West Wing".

Phillip · Apr 6, 2006

Come on folks, get with the program. The vapor contrails from the airplanes are what caused the buildings to collapse, except the one that made a crop circle. (The planes didn't actually HIT the buildings, the government just made it look like they did.)

poncho · Apr 6, 2006

Hmmm. It appears that your theory has just been thoroughly debunked by MP's judicious use of facts probably gained after much deliberate and laborious study into all the available 911 evidence LE.

Even Phillip has shown how ridiculous your argument is through his own skillful use of the facts that I assume were also gained after much arduous study into all the available 911 evidence.

Bro. Curtis · Apr 6, 2006

Originally posted by LadyEagle:
09/11 was an inside job & an outside job. Terrorists planted charges inside the building so it would implode when the jetliners crashed into them. That's not to say they didn't have help. That's my take on it, anyway. And that's not to say the government hasn't covered a lot up, which I've no doubt they have, so as to cover up their incompetence and corruption and failure to protect this Republic. IOW, they KNEW it was going to happen but did nothing to stop it. And, of course, the friends making money off of the whole tragedy.
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But, more infidels could have been killed, if they just blew up the buildings, with no airplanes. No warning, you know ? Just blow 'em up.

Scott J · Apr 6, 2006

Originally posted by Magnetic Poles:
Actually, Charlie Sheen had trained at an Al Qaeda camp in Quackistan, where he learned to conduct subversive acts against America. He then attended flight school at MS Flight Simulation Academy, where he learned to fly the planes into the buildings. He jumped out with a parachute just before impact at the WTC, because he still has a TV show to do. His original target, the White House, was changed, since Sheen didn't want to hit the place where his dad lives on "The West Wing".
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Could it be that "Hot Shots Part Deux" was a cleaver cover for that al Qaeda training...

tragic_pizza · Apr 6, 2006

Terrorists planted charges in the buildings to bring them down?

Sorry, but puh-leaaase.

WTC's construction, burning jet fuel, and spray-on insulation were the contributing factors.

Phillip · Apr 6, 2006

Originally posted by tragic_pizza:
Terrorists planted charges in the buildings to bring them down?

Sorry, but puh-leaaase.

WTC's construction, burning jet fuel, and spray-on insulation were the contributing factors.
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All I can say is...........

poncho · Apr 7, 2006

Originally posted by tragic_pizza:
Terrorists planted charges in the buildings to bring them down?

Sorry, but puh-leaaase.

WTC's construction, burning jet fuel, and spray-on insulation were the contributing factors.
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Got any links or documentation to back this theory up?

The following letter was sent today by Kevin Ryan of Underwriters Laboratories to Frank Gayle of the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST). Underwriters Laboratories is the company that certified the steel componets used in the constuction of the World Trade Center towers. The information in this letter is of great importance.

Dr. Gayle,

Having recently reviewed your team's report of 10/19/04, I felt the need to contact you directly.

As I'm sure you know, the company I work for certified the steel components used in the construction of the WTC buildings. In requesting information from both our CEO and Fire Protection business manager last year, I learned that they did not agree on the essential aspects of the story, except for one thing - that the samples we certified met all requirements. They suggested we all be patient and understand that UL was working with your team, and that tests would continue through this year. I'm aware of UL's attempts to help, including performing tests on models of the floor assemblies. But the results of these tests appear to indicate that the buildings should have easily withstood the thermal stress caused by pools of burning jet fuel.

There continues to be a number of "experts" making public claims about how the WTC buildings fell. One such person, Dr. Hyman Brown from the WTC construction crew, claims that the buildings collapsed due to fires at 2000F melting the steel (1). He states "What caused the building to collapse is the airplane fuel…burning at 2,000 degrees Fahrenheit. The steel in that five-floor area melts." Additionally, the newspaper that quotes him says "Just-released preliminary findings from a National Institute of Standards and Technology study of the World Trade Center collapse support Brown’s theory."

We know that the steel components were certified to ASTM E119. The time temperature curves for this standard require the samples to be exposed to temperatures around 2000F for several hours. And as we all agree, the steel applied met those specifications. Additionally, I think we can all agree that even un-fireproofed steel will not melt until reaching red-hot temperatures of nearly 3000F (2). Why Dr. Brown would imply that 2000F would melt the high-grade steel used in those buildings makes no sense at all.

The results of your recently published metallurgical tests seem to clear things up (3), and support your team's August 2003 update as detailed by the Associated Press (4), in which you were ready to "rule out weak steel as a contributing factor in the collapse." The evaluation of paint deformation and spheroidization seem very straightforward, and you noted that the samples available were adequate for the investigation. Your comments suggest that the steel was probably exposed to temperatures of only about 500F (250C), which is what one might expect from a thermodynamic analysis of the situation.

However the summary of the new NIST report seems to ignore your findings, as it suggests that these low temperatures caused exposed bits of the building’s steel core to "soften and buckle." (5) Additionally this summary states that the perimeter columns softened, yet your findings make clear that "most perimeter panels (157 of 160) saw no temperature above 250C." To soften steel for the purposes of forging, normally temperatures need to be above1100C (6). However, this new summary report suggests that much lower temperatures were be able to not only soften the steel in a matter of minutes, but lead to rapid structural collapse.

This story just does not add up. If steel from those buildings did soften or melt, I’m sure we can all agree that this was certainly not due to jet fuel fires of any kind, let alone the briefly burning fires in those towers. That fact should be of great concern to all Americans. Alternatively, the contention that this steel did fail at temperatures around 250C suggests that the majority of deaths on 9/11 were due to a safety-related failure. That suggestion should be of great concern to my company.
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Click Here To Read Letter

[ April 07, 2006, 11:01 AM: Message edited by: poncho ]

LadyEagle · Apr 7, 2006

All six lived in New York and are illegal immigrants, according to law enforcement officials.

One of the men, Sakhera Hammad, had a visitor's pass for the World Trade Center dated September 5, 2001. He told authorities he and his cousin, Abdelmuhsen Mahmid Hammad, also charged with trying to obtain a fake license, worked on the tower's sprinkler systems -- a claim authorities have not been able to corroborate.

Investigators say they are also intrigued by the fact that another man implicated in the scam, Khaled Odtllah, drove from New York City to Memphis on September 11.
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http://archives.cnn.com/2002/LAW/02/15/inv.licenser.death/

LadyEagle · Apr 7, 2006

Back on topic:

Information uncovered in early 1999 now shows that TWA Flight 800 could have been shot down by one or more shoulder-fired missiles. The FBI was briefed by military missile experts in the Fall of 1996 that Flight 800 was well within the range of a shoulder fired missile. The FBI conducted a covert dredging operation for stinger missile parts between November 1996 and April 1997. CDR. Donaldson brought this new evidence to the House Aviation Subcommittee in testimony on May 6, 1999. Unfortunately, the major media and the Congress are content to swallow the official line without question.
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http://www.twa800.com/index.htm

mima · Apr 7, 2006

By typing in--- physics911 public site--- in your search window you will find a lot of information about what took place that September morning called 911.

tragic_pizza · Apr 7, 2006

Originally posted by poncho:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by tragic_pizza:
Terrorists planted charges in the buildings to bring them down?

Sorry, but puh-leaaase.

WTC's construction, burning jet fuel, and spray-on insulation were the contributing factors.
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Got any links or documentation to back this theory up? </font>[/QUOTE]The Discovery Channel, National Geographic Channel. In other words, real sources, not a buch of tinfoil-helmet links.

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