U.S. group says president violating Constitution by urging pleas to God

Tough!

 

What do you expect from atheists?

 

Exactly C4K

 

Gee, they must have a different copy of the constitution than I have. Mine says that Congress shall pass no law encouraging or prohibiting the worship of a specific religion. Doesn't say a word about the executive branch, much less about the President as a man speaking his personal opinion. Encouraging people to pray is not passing a law for prayer.

Theirs must say, "Censorship is fine if you are censoring a man whose views are different than your own."

 

Atheists better rant and rave and have their fun at our expense now while they still live in the present. Thats because one thing is for sure.

THERE ARE NO DEAD ATHEISTS

 

It is impossible to take serious a group that mocks God, denies there is a God, and murders their leader for her money.

 

TS, I am certainly no fan of American Atheists, but it is not true that the group murdered their leader for her money. Madalyn Murray-O'Hair and her family were brutally murdered by a criminal who had worked for their organization. It was not sanctioned by the group at all.

Keeping our facts straight keeps our testimony credible.

 

Magnetic Poles,

I am sorry, but I don't see the difference in your comment. The person who killed them was an active member of the group, and had worked for the group. They might not have sanctioned murder, but the murder certainly represents the mind and hearts of this group of godless people.

 

TS, how so? They are not murderers, just unsaved like you once were. So do you condemn the church in Ft. Worth that had a member go nuts and kill all those people? Does the gunman represent the entire congregation?

 

I think that's generalizing a bit, TS. I've known a few Christian spouses who are adulterers and spousal abusers. That doesn't mean that Baptists as a rule commit adultery and abuse upon spouses. Likewise, one cannot say that Madalyn Murray-O'Haire was killed by the group or its members in general. Mock and deny God, yes. As pointed out, it's important that we present a credible testimony credible by keeping facts straight.

 

I'm sorry, but I lived around the corner from Madyln's so called church, and she was always showing up at public meetings, my school, and even my church to make trouble - along with a lot of her group.

They were rabid people. Full of hate. Spitting venom. They did not just want the right not to believe in God, they wanted to harm those who DID believe in God.

They were greedy. They were rude, they were crude.

In the years since then, I've done a lot of ministry to this segment of society, and those who idenitfy themselves with the organization are all that way. I have yet to meet a single one of them that acts like a semi-decent human being.

If you find someone who says they are a member of the Church of the Athiest who is a good and caring person - surprise me with them.

In the mean time. Understand. Madalyn and her organization KNEW about the criminal record of the man who eventually killed her, even before they hired him.

This article might give you more of a feel for this woman, the people she surrounded herself with, and the vast majority of those who associate their name with her organization today.

http://crimemagazine.com/ohair.htm

 

Tex

I thought I understood you to imply that the principles of open, active, and encouraged rebellion against God led one of their members to go even further than some of their other members and kill their leader?

Well you added a post before I could add mine ... and I think I may have underestimated your statement.

 

Magnetic Pole,

No, I don't condemn everyone in that church in Ft. Worth, but then again, the church in Ft. Worth did not teach that nothing in the world matters except the individual.

Madalyn Murray O'Hair denied God, she put her own wants and desires above her children, she spewed hate. Those who worked with her, at least when I knew the woman, were the exact same way. This was NOT a group that said, "I don't believe in God," and it was NOT just a group that said, "Don't put God in my classroom."

She sued to try to take away the tax exempt status of churches in Austin.
She sued to try to zone Hyde Park Baptist Church and St. John's Methodist church out of the neighborhood.
She sued to try to declare the parking lots of churches illegal.

She showed up at my High School PTA meeting one night to protest the opening of the PTA meeting with a prayer. She was not a faculty member there, she had no children in Austin public schools at that time, she was certainly not a member of our PTA. When the President of the PTA moved to have her removed from the meeting, Madalyn HIT her.

There are athiests in the world who are NOT vicious, mean people. Those athiests are NOT part of the organizational structure of the national group. The national group is full of people who hate God as much as the demons do.

 

I think I would like to quote Bush to the Atheists:

"Who cares what you think"?

Joseph Botwinick

 

Madalyn Murray O'Hair doesn't deny God anymore. Kind of too late though. She now has the same knowledge the demons do.

 

While emotionally I'd be more than happy to agree with you, factually, we're forbidden from prejudging a person's salvation. Only God knows a person's heart, and we never, never know what is going on in the heart and mind of a person who is encountering the dying process. If she upon her death came to grips with God's gift, and accepted what He offers, then she's as welcome in the Kingdom as anyone else.

And, to be honest, that's a comfort to me. If God has room in his Kingdom for a heathen like Madalyn Murray O'Hair, think of how much more room he has for you and me.

 

My, my aren't we picky today?!

What, pray tell, if you want to be so technically precise, did this quote,

have to do with her salvation? I did not see salvation mentioned!

Yes, you assumed that the reference was that M. O'hare is now in hell, but the quote doesn't say that; only that she now has the same knowledge as the demons.

I think that statement could just as easily apply to you or me, as we KNOW that Jesus is the Son of God, the Messiah.

In other words, what was the point of such nit-picking?

 

Okay, okay, you win. . The check is in the mail.

Seriously, though, you're correct in saying that it applies to all, saved and unsaved, believer and unbeliever, alike.

You referred to her known the same thing as demons, which implied that you think she must be in hell, an implication that could have been avoided by saying "She now has the same knowledge the demons and angels do".

However, if this was not your implication, then I apologize for fostering such further.

 

I'm not her judge but clearly some verses from the bible seem to apply to her.

"Rom 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; "

Joh 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Joh 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.


These are verses from one who will be her judge.