U.S. Soldiers Tortured & Slaughtered

carpro,

Thanks for posting this. Hopefully this will serve as a reminder to anyone here who has any illusions that our troops are up against animals. No, worse than animals.

 

Can we win a war against the insurgents when the will of the people of Iraq is against us?

Why didn't the witnesses to this kidnapping/attack not do anything to help while it was going on?

Do the Iraqi people not know how to fight for their own liberty or do they just not care?

And is anyone else getting the idea that until we respond in kind to these animals we will never gain control? Extreme force seems to be the only answer that will stop them.

 

We are invaders. We are not wanted there. If the Iraqis can fight us, they could have liberated themselves from Saddam. The answer is to exit and leave them to their own sectarian conflicts.

 

Official Statement of Outrage

I sincerely deplore the barbarous violence inflicted upon these two soldiers, Pfc. Kristian Menchaca and Pfc. Thomas L. Tucker.

 

This is why, as much as I do believe that U.S. troops should follow applicable international law and military regulations in the interrogation and treatment of prisoners I have NO sympathy for the treatment of the prisoners we have captured. Compare a naked pyramid or no sleep or playing loud music to the barbarities these scum inflict on our men (and women!) and I lose NO sleep over their "suffering".

 

Absolutely not. I don't know how you got that. I find it horrific. One more reason we need to get out of there and leave these people to their own devices. This is not America's conflict until we made it such. It was not worth one American life, as I have repeatedly said here. I take great offense at your suggestion, Carpro. You are usually at least better than that.

 

I would also add that our brave men and women in uniform should NEVER be sent in harms way unless there is a clear and present danger. With the constantly changing excuses given by the administration about why we invaded, my opinion is that these brave and precious lives are being sacrificed to execute a Bush family payback. Bush let his true reasons show when he stated, "This is the guy who tried to kill my dad." The invasion was planned from before Bush took the oath of office, and he, Rove, Rice and the rest of this regime deceptively used the attacks of 9/11 as an excuse to exploit the public's fears and invade a country that presented no immediate danger to the U.S. or its strategic interests.

 

It wasn't the insurgents who did it - it was the professional terrorists.

Remember, the al-Qaida wasn't in Iraq* until after we invaded.

I'm not convinced that the will of the people is against us. One of the main things is to try to restore normalcy as much as possible as soon as possible - roads, water, electricity (air conditioning!), hospitals, schools, jobs - the old Hearts and Minds strategy.

Presumably, they didn't want to receive the same treatment or have it inflicted on their sons and daughters.

They didn't ask for this. Well, some of the exiles who hoped to be placed in power did (Chalubi and such).

They are vulnerable to attack from all sides - coation troops, with their bombs, mines and stray bullets; insurgents who know who they are, where they live and who their families are; terrorists, obviously; opportunistic brigands who steal, kidnap and rape without reprisal; and, more and more, ultra-fundy clerics who want to impose extremist shar'ia (I heard that men are now afraid to appear in public in shorts). They are in the unfortunate position of monkeys in the middle.

Yet, I've heard that they have given helpful information to our soldiers, secretly, even in fear of reprisals. I'm pretty sure that they want peace far more than we do.

How much more extreme than firebombing a city can you get? What would the next escalation be - nuking them?


*As a force. I know, they had training camps with the Kurds, but that was hardly sanctioned by the government - think about it.

 

Not in my experience (although he is better than some).

 

I, for one, am thankful that this sentiment was not prevalent when we entered WWII.

 

:tear:

Praying for their family and friends…:flower:


Continually praying for those serving in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Trusting justice will be served on those who are responsible (evil, evil, evil Islamic psychopaths)…

 

What a ridiculous statement. There is no parallel here. Japan attacked us, Germany declared war on us. Iraq did neither.

So I guess you approve of sending troops in harms way if our interests or safety are not at risk? What an indefensible position.

 

Pole - First the Iraqi people are not against us. They need us and our allies and to abandon them would be criminal. Do you know any Iraqis????? I do and your opinion is blinded by your politics. We are NOT “invaders” as you say. You may care for our troops but you do not support them. And in my opinion your comments do not reflect the best interest for the Iraqi people.

 

Enoch, I do indeed know Iraqis. However, Iraq is not our responsibility. What do you call an armed force that invades another nation? I call it an invasion. My politics are not blinding me to anything. I don't care which party pulled this off, I would be against it. The policies this country has pursued have made us the pariah of the world. It WILL come back to bite us, our children and our grandchildren. I also DO support our troops...I do NOT support the mission they have been assigned. There is a big difference.

 

Pole - You do not support our troops if you do not support their mission. You can twist it all you want but the facts remain the same. Regardless of your politics can we try to keep this thread respectful regarding the loss of life of Pfc. Kristian Menchaca and Pfc. Thomas L. Tucker.


Daisy - Your posts were respectful and condemning of terrorists, I’m pleasantly surprised.

 

Spin it any way you like. I have made myself clear, except to those who think this war is a great thing, like yourself and HoG. How do YOU support the troops? What have YOU done for them. You have no idea what I have done or how I have supported them, so unless you have an idea what you are talking about, you should shut your pie hole. Iwill add that the loss of these 2 soldiers hits close to home, as one is from my home town.

BTW, I am sure Daisy appreciates your back-handed complement.

Edited to add: The concept that if one doesn't support every fool mission, one doesn't support our troops, or is not patriotic, is ludicrous. Patriotism requires dissent when the country's leadership is wrong. That isn't politics...that is our patriotic responsibility and obligation.

 

In both WWI and WWII, we finagled our way into being "attacked" to give us a justification to enter the war. Why did we need that justification? Because we had declared ourselves as neutral.

In this case, we had reason to believe that we were in direct danger from Saddam's regime. (That intel may have been quite correct, but because the UN gave them plenty of time to move everything to Syria, we'll never know.)

I've only ever met one Iraqi who thought we did not belong there, yet I have met many who were very thankful that we are. (This does not count those who were quite favored by the former regime.)

To say that our safety and interests were not at risk is simply the voluntary wearing of blinders.

 

Right. Another ridiculous statement. You are obviously one of those who think FDR knew in advance about Pearl Harbor. Provide evidence.

Again, the evidence points to the contrary or is missing at best. No proof to support this.

In your opinion only. Again...where is the evidence.

And, yet again, you ignore the question to clarify why you think it is okay to send our troops in harm's way when our safety or interests are not at stake, per your comment above.