"Under God" and "In God We Trust"

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(Here comes a rotten tomato)

It seems to me that people are removing all traces or mention of God from everyplace possible.

Why would Christians want this to happen?

 

What did the framers mean by "religious test?"

 

But these two were not official until 1954/56. Did we not do well before they were added? </font>[/QUOTE]Maybe so, but their being made official is not unconstitutional. That's my point.

 

Yes! They should exist!

 

They made it clear - NO religious test. </font>[/QUOTE]An acknowledgement of a Supreme Being is not a religious test. when the Constitution was ratified 11 of the 13 states required an acknowledgement of God, and many states do today, of their officials.

It simply means that no one has to be a member of a particular religious sect as was required in England.

 

Of course they should. The nations are to be taught to observe all things that Christ has commanded.

 

If we, as a nation, have fallen to such depths with "under God" and "In God We Trust"; what depths will we sink to if they are removed?

Did sex education start in public schools before or after prayer was 'officially' removed from those institutions?

You're not really blaming all this...

...on the fact that we honor God in the pledge and on our money are you???

 

I do not support shallow government references to our God, whether on money or in a pledge.

 

We also must remember that this nation is not made up of only believers. Others are just as American as we are. Besides, mixing God and mammon is a bad idea, as is mixing religion and government. Let God live in the hearts of believers, not as part of state deism.

 

Agreed. Your post fits my sentiments to a T.

 

I remember when Ike added "under God" because it changed the pledge that we used in school. The motto when unnoticed by me except for the sign at a store at a lake that added "all others cash."

But I would not say that Viet Nam was the first war that we lost. Some say we lost the War of 1812, but I think that we made a big mistake in Korea by compromising and I would consider Korea a loss, especially in view of the fact that so many want to cut and run in Iraq the way we did in Korea and Viet Nam. That would be our third loss in the orient in my book.

I don't care what happens to those 2 things but I would prefer that they remain.

It is interesting that they came from the 1950s officially. I like Ike and I think that the 1950s were the golden age of America; we had peace, prosperity, and domestic tranquility. Ike said that it was American GI, the American soldier, who was responsible for the Victory in World War II.

We really have had no increase in the standard of living since the 1950s and domestic tranquility seems to have disappeared forever....

 

Leaving these phrases as they are, will have no impact on God's judgement on this nation. He will judge us by the condition of our hearts. It is not the presence of "under God" that caused the moral decay in this nation. While we as Christians did not cause the decay we did not do enough to slow or stop it.

How often did believers and our churches give a wink and a nod as "minor" things happened, such as repeal of the Sunday closing laws? No big deal we thought, we can't legislate morality. Let God deal with it. What did we do as liquor by the drink and gambling casinos began to flourish and spread? Well, many of us thought, I used to have a drink of liquor, still do on occaision, and it didn't hurt me; or what is wrong with buying a lotto ticket or betting on a horse race? It is my money and we can't legislate morality.

Just look at how the slide has gained impetus as "mainstream" denominations have lowered the standards for ministers. Homosexuality is pushed as an acceptable way of life. Abortion on demand is accepted by many "mainstream" denominations. People like Barry Lynn and his organization are given recognition as speaking for a large percentage of Christians. Now we wonder if adding a simple phrase "under God" to the pledge of Allegiance may in some manner be related to our present condition. I don't think so.