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Under Grace or Under Law?...Round 3

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Claudia_T

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rbell said:
DITW...

My last post on this issue...I'm sure the mods are weary of it anyhow...

I grew weary of watching you question the salvation of others, and accuse them of "denying the Word of God." I made attempts to be civil, and was met with some of the same accusations. I've reported several of your posts...they display attitudes and accusations that a mature Christian should not post.

I disagree with folks all the time here...but I do not throw out the vitriolic and uncalled-for insults that you do. You should really do some self-examination...why are you unable to have discussions, and even disagreements with others without going nuclear?

I don't question your love for the Lord, and your reverence for His Word. I simply think you need to work on stepping back, counting to ten, and realize:

1. that there's not gonna be 100.000000000% theological agreement on everything.
2. Not everything is a life-or death issue.
3. It's possible for others to love God as much as you and still disagree.
4. Some of your posts have been mean and offensive, and you owe some apologies.
5. "But he started it!" is not a valid reason for flaming others.
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to be truly honest your "concern" would be more believable if it were directed at some of the others as well on here who say truly mean and derogatory things to other people. But it seems to me like you are purposely picking on Diggin for a reason, probably since he doesnt have the same theology you do.
 
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Diggin in da Word said:
Mike, if you don't see an evil picture in that dog with the syringe, you need better spiritual glasses.
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Uh-outta' curiosity, is/was the dog any worse than than another's carniverous bird of prey? What about your own avatar? What exactly is it supposed to be? Can I consider it evil, as well?

FTR, as my wife :love2: happens to be a professional grade photographer, the "red eyes" are an unretouched result of the flash of the camera, due to the refraction of the lens, and reflection of light off the retina in the eyes. The dog does not understand to look anywhere but directly at the camera, hence the "red eyes". And I have had more than one dog that would carry anything I gave them around, including a hypodermic needle that I use to vaccinate my cats, dogs, and cows, as a farmer, or unfortunately probably too soon, myself if my diabetes gets a great deal worse.

Have you bothered to consider any of this, prior to my bringing it up? rbell may or may not be showing his maturity, but that picture he posted has nothing to do with that aspect. I'm absolutely certain that there is not one word in Scripture about photographs. I am not for or opposed, but do not have the expertise to post some avatar, and don't feel it necessary, for that matter.

DHK rightly admonised you, IMO. Perhaps I can now join someone's "blacklist" as well. I have answered "Diggin'" in a couple of posts. Anything I wrote was theological, not intended to be personal. If it was, it was unintended, and I apologize. I had decided I was through with posting on this thread, and was merely going to read, before this post appeared. But my opinion of this quoted post is someone needs to "get a life".


D28guy said:
You know this really is a breathtakingly clear example of what happens with hard core legalism is allowed to run its course.

Sadly,

Mike
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Well said.

Ed
 
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Diggin in da Word

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Claudia,

It is ok. I expect it. Jesus said in His Word that I would be accused falsely for His sake.

I am disappointed in DHK as much as he attacks me for pointing out errors though. He is a moderator, and is allowing others to attack me with no reprimand. Why?? because he, like them believes that God will overlook sin in the life of one claiming to be of Christ. Therefore, it is ok for him to attack me with no reprecussions. And it is ok for D28, rbell, and others to attack me without fear of scolding by DHK.

I understand.
 
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Claudia_T

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EdSutton said:
Uh-outta' curiosity, is/was the dog any worse than than another's carniverous bird of prey? What about your own avatar? What exactly is it supposed to be? Can I consider it evil, as well?

FTR, as my wife :love2: happens to be a professional grade photographer, the "red eyes" are an unretouched result of the flash of the camera, due to the refraction of the lens, and reflection of light off the retina in the eyes. The dog does not understand to look anywhere but directly at the camera, hence the "red eyes". And I have had more than one dog that would carry anything I gave them around, including a hypodermic needle that I use to vaccinate my cats, dogs, and cows, as a farmer, or unfortunately probably too soon, myself if my diabetes gets a great deal worse.

Have you bothered to consider any of this, prior to my bringing it up? rbell may or may not be showing his maturity, but that picture he posted has nothing to do with that aspect. I'm absolutely certain that there is not one word in Scripture about photographs. I am not for or opposed, but do not have the expertise to post some avatar, and don't feel it necessary, for that matter.

DHK rightly admonised you, IMO. Perhaps I can now join someone's "blacklist" as well. I have answered "Diggin'" in a couple of posts. Anything I wrote was theological, not intended to be personal. If it was, it was unintended, and I apologize. I had decided I was through with posting on this thread, and was merely going to read, before this post appeared. But my opinion of this quoted post is someone needs to "get a life".

Ed
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Ed speaking of photos, didnt you say you had a beard and sunglasses? I know you dont wear the sunglasses all the time but you ought to stick a photo of yourself up there...

or at least a photo of something or other
 
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Claudia_T

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well when I see rbells doggie there with that syringe I think, wow I better be careful he might give me a lethal injection if I disagree with him (just kidding)
 
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EdSutton

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Claudia_T said:
Ed speaking of photos, didnt you say you had a beard and sunglasses? I know you dont wear the sunglasses all the time but you ought to stick a photo of yourself up there...

or at least a photo of something or other
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I wear sunglasses outside as a farmer, to prevent more eye-damage, as a diabetic, from the UV rays of the sun. As to my own likeness, picture Jim or SFIC wearing a baseball cap. That would be close. Again, I don't have the expertise to get an avatar on the computer, as I have said more than once. My lovely and talented wife :love2: has to fix it each and everytime I break it, and I have managed that, including blowing up a circuit one time, more than once. :type: :tonofbricks: :eek:

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Claudia_T

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EdSutton said:
I wear sunglasses outside as a farmer, to prevent more eye-damage, as a diabetic, from the UV rays of the sun. As to my own likeness, picture Jim or SFIC wearing a baseball cap. That would be close. Again, I don't have the expertise to get an avatar on the computer, as I have said more than once. My lovely and talented wife :love2: has to fix it each and everytime I break it, and I have managed that, including blowing up a circuit one time, more than once. :type: :tonofbricks: :eek:

Ed
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ok its just that I noticed when I am scrolling up and down sometimes I pass by your posts because my eye doesnt catch a "picture" there ... you know what I mean? It makes it easier to identify posts...
 
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Brother Bob

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Ed speaking of photos, didnt you say you had a beard and sunglasses? I know you dont wear the sunglasses all the time but you ought to stick a photo of yourself up there...

or at least a photo of something or other
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Yea, so we have something to shoot paperwads at.
 
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D28guy

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I cant put an avatar in mine cause I have a new computer. All the photos of me, my dog, my guitars and dobros, etc were in the old computer, and I cant get this new computer to recognise my printer to re-scan.

And they arent on disc because I dont fool with those disc things. Dont know how they work nor care to. :laugh:

Eventually I'l put my ugly mug up somewhere!

Mike
 
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DHK

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DHK said:
Again, he writes because of sin. Paul had sinful thoughts. He tells us that he had to bring these thoughts into subjection. The admission of the fact that he had to resist the devil, means that there were times that he gave into the devil, otherwise why write it.

Is this what you say about Paul? Perhaps it is an indication that we are human, and that we still have a sn nature. Look at what Paul says about himself:

1 Timothy 1:15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

Are you morally better than Paul?
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Instead of throwing insults around (that includes everyone) why not get back to the topic.
Diggin, you have failed to answer this post.
Are you better than Paul, who said he was the chief of sinners?
You claim that you don't sin? In the light of this Scripture how do you reconcile that?
 
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Diggin in da Word

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DHK said:
Instead of throwing insults around (that includes everyone) why not get back to the topic.
Diggin, you have failed to answer this post.
Are you better than Paul, who said he was the chief of sinners?
You claim that you don't sin? In the light of this Scripture how do you reconcile that?
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I am no better than the next guy. When we come to thr realization though, that when we sin, we are the servants of sin (God's Word states this). If one breaks the commandments, (you, me, or anyone else) the Word declares that the truth (Jesus is the Truth, is He not) is not in us.

Let me ask you something, DHK...

Since Jesus said He would never leave us or forsake us, and His Word also declares that one who does not keep the commandments is a liar and the truth is not in him, How can a person have Christ while breaking the commandments too.

Looks like if the true child of God always has Christ in Him and Christ will never leave him, then the true child of God will not break the commandments, else Christ would have to deny His word and leave him.

Seems the two verses would contradict each other.
 
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EdSutton

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DHK said:
Instead of throwing insults around (that includes everyone) why not get back to the topic.
Diggin, you have failed to answer this post.
Are you better than Paul, who said he was the chief of sinners?
You claim that you don't sin? In the light of this Scripture how do you reconcile that?
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I'm neither "Diggin'", nor am I 'digging', but if Paul "am chief" of sinners, (He did not say he 'was or used to be chief') wouldn't it follow that no one else can make that claim, and in the 'human sense' all are 'better' than Paul? The real issue is that none are "better than" Christ, who, as I read Scripture, was the only one without sin. How do any of us match up to that, might be the question.

And for that matter don't I recall both Romans and I John saying something to the effect that all (mankind) have sinned and all do sin?

Or am I being too simple, by taking the Bible for what it in fact says?

Ed
 
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Claudia_T

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ok why are one of you simple for taking the Bible for what it says and the other one of you is wrong for taking the Bible for what it says?
 
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