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Under Grace or Under Law?...Round 3

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Brother Bob

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We have to take them back down, they too big.
Take it down Claudia, it is shoving whole thread to the left.
 
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D28guy

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Actually, BB has a rule that pics can only be the size of the Baptist Board emblem. Thats why I did links.

Just turn them into links and you'll save DHK some time.

I got yer back, DHK!

Mike
 
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D28guy

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Claudia,

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Mike,


I started the new thread before you did this time... Ha Ha! :laugh:"
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Well, you sure nuff did! You've got it together, Claudia :thumbs:

When this one gets locked we'll just slide on over there.

(or should we slide over now?)

Mike
 
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Claudia_T

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D28guy said:
Claudia,



Well, you sure nuff did! You've got it together, Claudia :thumbs:

When this one gets locked we'll just slide on over there.

(or should we slide over now?)

Mike
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Yeah say something on there so that it will go to the top!
 
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DHK

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Diggin in da Word said:
I am no better than the next guy. When we come to thr realization though, that when we sin, we are the servants of sin (God's Word states this). If one breaks the commandments, (you, me, or anyone else) the Word declares that the truth (Jesus is the Truth, is He not) is not in us.
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It would be good for you to check the Greek on the tense of the verbs of those verses that you are throwing out so freely. It might help you to ascertain the true meaning of the verse.

Let me ask you something, DHK...
Since Jesus said He would never leave us or forsake us, and His Word also declares that one who does not keep the commandments is a liar and the truth is not in him, How can a person have Christ while breaking the commandments too.
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The Bible does not contradict itself. You contradict the Bible by not finding out the true meaning of the verses which you just toss out without any understanding thereof.
The Bible also says that if we say we have no sin we call him a liar.
That is the position you have just put yourself in, for all have sinned.
Looks like if the true child of God always has Christ in Him and Christ will never leave him, then the true child of God will not break the commandments, else Christ would have to deny His word and leave him.
Seems the two verses would contradict each other.
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Because a child of God sins, it does mean that Christ sins. What kind of logic is that??

Here are some verses for you to consdier:

Matthew 12:36-37 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

Now, let's get a bit personal for a minute to help you see this double standard of yours, as well as how this doctine of entire sanctification is so wrong.

How many idle words have you posted on this one thread. Think about it.
How many words that are not edifying have been posted?
"By thy words thou shalt be justified and by thy words thou shalt be condemned."
Only by the comments of others (omitting my own), if I go through this thread and glean all the posts about which others have complained about you what will I find? Have they been edifying or not? If not they are sin, for the Bible commands us to edify one another. To accuse another that they are not saved is wrong. In fact it is against BB rules. If you have broken that rule, you have broken the law that you agreed to. Breaking the law is sin. It is the very definition of sin. You can't help but keep from sin. Not one of us can. It is only an example. All of us are in the same boat. We all sin. It is in our nature to do so. That is why Christ died. He was mad sin for us.
 
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Brother Bob

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Matthew 12:36-37 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.
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Ok, but that not breaking the Ten Commandments that I see.'

Also, the verbs of the verbs. What is that?
 
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Diggin in da Word

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Brother Bob said:
Ok, but that not breaking the Ten Commandments that I see.'

Also, the verbs of the verbs. What is that?
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Bob, Bob, Bob...

We ain't gotta adhere to no commandments. (least that is what I am getting from DHK)
 
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Diggin in da Word said:
Paul said he had to beat his body and keep it under subjection daily.
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Ya' might wanna' re-read the two verses six chapters apart that you are attempting to combine.
Why is it so hard for people to understand that just because they said a prayer doesn't mean they truly are saved?
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You might ask the thief on the cross, the publican, and the (formerly) lame man about that! Frankly, I'd say they were "truly saved". :rolleyes: I agree that much of what passes for 'evangelism' is a bad message. BTW, the publican prayed (literally) "God, You be the 'blood-covered mercy seat' for me, the sinner." for that is what "propitiated" means.


Yet today's crowd wants to say, 'I just can't do it. It's too hard. No man can keep the commandments.'
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Would you include Paul, Barnabas, James and Peter in this "today's crowd"?
7 And when there had been much dispute, Peter rose up and said to them: “Men and brethren, you know that a good while ago God chose among us, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe. 8 So God, who knows the heart, acknowledged them by giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He did to us, 9 and made no distinction between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. 10 Now therefore, why do you test God by putting a yoke on the neck of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? 11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ[a] we shall be saved in the same manner as they.”

24 Since we have heard that some who went out from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, saying, “You must be circumcised and keep the law”[f]—to whom we gave no such commandment— 25 it seemed good to us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, 26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, who will also report the same things by word of mouth. 28 For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things: 29 that you abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality.[g] If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. (Acts 15: 7-11; 24-29 - NKJV)
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That was the decision of the Jerusalem council, and based on the testimony of Barnabas, Paul, Peter, and James, frankly, I'll go along with it.

Ed
 
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