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Understanding God’s election

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Dougcho, Oct 31, 2024 at 11:20 AM.

  1. Dougcho

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    Let’s investigate and see if we can possibly get a solid understanding of the Incarnation (birth) of Jesus Christ.

    You will see below … In the beginning, the Members of the Holy Trinity were God the Father, God the Word, and God the Holy Spirit.

    Many churches teach that the Son of God (Jesus Christ) came down from heaven to be the Messiah, the Savior. But, this is just NOT true because Jesus was created (or formed) in Mary’s womb (on earth) … by God the Holy Spirit.

    Christ (English) = Cristos (Greek) = Messiah (Hebrew)

    How did the Holy Spirit perform this “Immaculate Conception”?
    Possibility #1: the Holy Spirit provided the male sperm necessary
    Possibility #2: the Holy Spirit “created” the fetus in Mary’s womb


    God the Holy Spirit “created” Jesus

    The archangel Gabriel said to the virgin Mary:
    “And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bring forth a Son, and shall call His name Jesus … The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you; therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God.” (Luke 1:31-35)

    Jesus was called “the Son of God” because His “Father” was God the Holy Spirit!
    And Luke quoted Isaiah as saying: Jesus would be “God with us” …


    And Gabriel said to Joseph:
    “… that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit. And she will bring forth a Son, and you shall call His name Jesus … So all this was done that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the Lord through the prophet (Isaiah), saying: ‘Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel’, which is translated, ‘God with us’.” (Matthew 1:20-23)

    Did Jesus inherit man’s sin nature?

    Years ago, a British lady doctor told me (via email)
    that every human inherits the DNA of BOTH parents.
    So, unless the Holy Spirit over-rode this (which is a possibility),
    the baby Jesus in Mary’s womb inherited her DNA.
    Does this mean that Jesus was “fully man”?


    “Therefore, it was necessary for Him to be made in every respect like us,
    His brothers and sisters, so that He could be our merciful and faithful
    High Priest before God.” (Hebrews 2:17)

    So, Jesus was “fully man” … But, how then could He be “fully God”?

    God the Word’s role in the “creation” of Jesus

    “… the Word was God … And the Word became human (Jesus Christ)
    and made His home among us.” (John 1:1, 1:14)
    So, Jesus was “fully God” … But, wouldn’t this over-ride His sin nature?

    Your comments on all of this would be most interesting!

    And just thought I’d ask:
    When did God the Word become a human being (Jesus Christ)
    … while Jesus was in the womb, or after He was born?

    Sorry, not able to edit this OP very well.
     
    #1 Dougcho, Oct 31, 2024 at 11:20 AM
    Last edited: Oct 31, 2024 at 11:28 AM
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