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Unfathomed Dangers

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by Brother James, Feb 1, 2006.

  1. Brother James

    Brother James New Member

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    Unfathomed Dangers In
    Patriot Act Renewal


    By Paul Craig Roberts
    1-24-6

    A provision in the "PATRIOT Act" creates a new federal police force with the power to violate the Bill of Rights. You might think that this cannot be true, as you have not read about it in newspapers or heard it discussed by talking heads on TV.
    Go to House Report 109-333 USA PATRIOT Improvement and Reauthorization Act of 2005 and check it out for yourself. Sec. 605 reads:
    "There is hereby created and established a permanent police force, to be known as the 'United States Secret Service Uniformed Division.'"
    This new federal police force is "subject to the supervision of the Secretary of Homeland Security."
    The new police are empowered to "make arrests without warrant for any offense against the United States committed in their presence, or for any felony cognizable under the laws of the United States if they have reasonable grounds to believe that the person to be arrested has committed or is committing such felony."
    The new police are assigned a variety of jurisdictions, including "an event designated under section 3056(e) of title 18 as a special event of national significance" (SENS).
    "A special event of national significance" is neither defined nor does it require the presence of a "protected person" such as the president in order to trigger it. Thus, the administration, and perhaps the police themselves, can place the SENS designation on any event. Once a SENS designation is placed on an event, the new federal police are empowered to keep out and arrest people at their discretion.
    The language conveys enormous discretionary and arbitrary powers. What is "an offense against the United States"? What are "reasonable grounds"?
    You can bet the Alito/Roberts court will rule that it is whatever the executive branch says.
    The obvious purpose of the act is to prevent demonstrations at Bush/Cheney events. However, nothing in the language limits the police powers from being used only in this way. Like every law in the U.S., this law also will be expansively interpreted and abused. It has dire implications for freedom of association and First Amendment rights. We can take for granted that the new federal police will be used to suppress dissent and to break up opposition. The Brownshirts are now arming themselves with a Gestapo.
    Many naïve Americans will write to me to explain that this new provision in the reauthorization of the "PATRIOT Act" is necessary to protect the president and other high officials from terrorists or from harm at the hands of angry demonstrators: "No one else will have anything to fear." Some will accuse me of being an alarmist, and others will say that it is unpatriotic to doubt the law's good intentions.
    Americans will write such nonsense despite the fact that the president and foreign dignitaries are already provided superb protection by the Secret Service. The naïve will not comprehend that the president cannot be endangered by demonstrators at SENS at which the president is not present. For many Americans, the light refuses to turn on.
    In Nazi Germany, did no one but Jews have anything to fear from the Gestapo?
    By Stalin's time, Lenin and Trotsky had eliminated all members of the "oppressor class," but that did not stop Stalin from sending millions of "enemies of the people" to the Gulag.
    It is extremely difficult to hold even local police forces accountable. Who is going to hold accountable a federal police protected by Homeland Security and the president?
     
  2. LadyEagle

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    Oh, please. [​IMG]
     
  3. Bro. Curtis

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    My sentiments, 'zactly. Read it before snooze time.
     
  4. Brother James

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    Both of you should stay asleep. It's probably better for you that way.


    26 'For among My people are found wicked men;
    They lie in wait as one who sets snares;
    They set a trap;
    They catch men.
    27 As a cage is full of birds,
    So their houses are full of deceit.
    Therefore they have become great and grown rich.
    28 They have grown fat, they are sleek;
    Yes, they surpass the deeds of the wicked;
    They do not plead the cause,
    The cause of the fatherless;
    Yet they prosper,
    And the right of the needy they do not defend.
    29 Shall I not punish them for these things?' says the Lord.
    'Shall I not avenge Myself on such a nation as this?'


    30 "An astonishing and horrible thing
    Has been committed in the land:
    31 The prophets prophesy falsely,
    And the priests rule by their own power;
    And My people love to have it so.
    But what will you do in the end?
    Jer. ch. 5 NKJV
     
  5. Dragoon68

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    Law enforcement officers already have the power to make arrests "without warrant" for any offense "committed in their presence" or if they have reasonable grounds to believe that an individual "has committed" or is "committing" a felony.

    In fact, in most states with respect to felonies, you also have that right.

    Warrants are designed to protect us from unlawful search, seizure, and arrest.

    Warrants are not designed to prevent law enforcement from taking immediate action for criminal conduct they clearly observe nor to prevent them from stopping a felony. Warrants are not designed to prevent our government from defending our nation against our enemies. Warrants are not designed to be applied to our military for the business of war fighting.

    Let's apply some clear balance and common sense to our thinking!
     
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    Thank you for posting this, Brother James. I am finding that Paul Craig Roberts is a voice of reason lately versus those who accept anything that the Bush administration says without question.
     
  7. KenH

    KenH Well-Known Member

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    What happened to all of the concern you used to show about your fear of the NWO, LadyEagle?
     
  8. freedom's cause

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    Lady Eagle we all know where you stand concerning
    faith in Christ and Love of God

    the others ? what more can I say in spite of this love thy neighbor the tares will grow up with the wheat
     
  9. Brother James

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    Do I have to join the republican party to make sure I'm not a tare? Where do you stand? Are you a tare? If I were to judge by your shallow theology I would be scared.
     
  10. Dragoon68

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    Duplicate posting!
     
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    Existing 3 CFR 202 - United States Secret Service Uniformed Division already states:

    There has been a "Uniformed Division" of the US Secret Service for a very long time - a lineage of about 140 years - even before the law quoted above. There's nothing new about this!

    The new law - the topic of this thread - merely adds section 3056A to 18 CFR 3056 to define the Uniform Division of the US Secret Service while repealing 3 CFR 202 which previously did so. Don't forget that the US Secret Service was moved from the Dept. of the Treasury to the Dept. of Homeland Security.

    So much for the "new" federal police force conspiracy theory!

    Existing 18 CFR 3056 - Powers, authorities, and duties of United States Secret Service already states:

    The President has had the power to use the US Secret Service at "special events of national significance" for "security purposes" and can now also use the Uniformed Division of that agency but must still give Congress an account of doing so.

    So much for the "special events" conspiracy theory!
     
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    The United States Secret Service Uniformed Division is not new. It has been their job for years to protect the White House grounds and the President when he is there.

    Dragoon68 didn't see your post until I had posted but it bears repeating for the unlearned Bush Haters.
     
  13. Dragoon68

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    The citations in my previous posting should have been USC (US Code) rather than CFR (Code of Federal Regulations).
     
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