Vaccine Facts -the Debate

[Squire Robertsson]

Let the debate begin

There are a lot of partial truths, interpretative statistics, and outright misinformation out there about covid and the vaccine.
People need real information to make an informed decision about their health.
Unfortunately, this is often impossible as people typically look for "news" to support their decisions.
Attached are the facts on the 3 US vaccines. This includes trial information, possible side-effects, and serious side-effects, as well as the ingredients for each vaccine.
There really is not a right or wrong choice. Each person just needs to consider the real facts and make an informed decision about the risks and benefits of the vaccine versus the risks of the virus.

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[Salty]

The VA gave me my shots several months ago. I have not had any side effects.

My wife got her shots shortly before me at the hospital she works - no side effects.

 

[SGO]

This is from 2007, too old for this debate.
The better version is out now.
Too wonky a source cited here.
This is just another one of the scare tactics from those who do not believe our God is sovereign.
It's not a Chinese document so it must be the wrong virus.
Your truth is always legitimate while "my" truth gets to be edited.

https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/6b/c3/21/a62eb55a0e678c/US7220852.pdf


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(10) Patent No.:
(45) Date of Patent:
(54) CORONAVIRUS ISOLATED FROM HUMANS
(75) Inventors: Paul A. Rota, Decatur, GA (US);
Larry J. Anderson, Atlanta, GA (US);
William J. Bellini, Lilburn, GA (US);
Cara Carthel Burns, Avondale Estates,
GA (US); Raymond Campagnoli,
Decatur, GA (US); Qi Chen, Marietta,
GA (US); James A. Comer, Decatur,
GA (US); Shannon L. Emery, Lusaka
(ZM); Dean D. Erdman, Decatur, GA
(US); Cynthia S. Goldsmith, Lilburn,
GA (US); Charles D. Humphrey, Lilburn, GA (US); Joseph P. Icenogle,
Atlanta, GA (US); Thomas G. Ksiazek,
Lilburn, GA (US); Stephan S. Monroe,
Decatur, GA (US); William Allan Nix,
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Oberste, Lilburn, GA (US); Teresa C.
T. Peret, Atlanta, GA (US); Pierre E.
Rollin, Lilburn, GA (US); Mark A.
Pallansch, Lilburn, GA (US); Anthony
Sanchez, Lilburn, GA (US); Suxiang
Tong, Alpharetta, GA (US); Sherif R.
Zaki, Atlanta, GA (US)
(73) Assignee: The United States of America as
represented by the Secretary of the
Department of Health and Human
Services, Centers for Disease Control
and Prevention, Washington, DC (US)
(*) Notice: Subject to any disclaimer, the term of this
patent is extended or adjusted under 35
U.S.C. 154(b) by 0 days.
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(57) ABSTRACT
Disclosed herein is a newly isolated human coronavirus
(SARS-CoV), the causative agent of severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS). Also provided are the nucleic acid
sequence of the SARS-CoV genome and the amino acid
sequences of the SARS-CoV open reading frames, as well as
methods of using these molecules to detect a SARS-CoV
and detect infections therewith. Immune stimulatory com
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1 Claim, 7 Drawing Sheets

 

[JonC]

The VA gave me my shots several months ago. I have not had any side effects.

My wife got her shots shortly before me at the hospital she works - no side effects.

Per the anti-vaxer info on this board I have 6 to 50 months to live. You'd think they'd be much nicer people towards the terminally vaccinated.

I and my family have had no ill effects either. By now you'd think my arteries would have collapsed and my organs liquefied.

At least an alien should have burst from my chest.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

So with all of their great strides, they have yet to rescind the legal wavers we the people must agree to. If so, there can be no discussion, no debate here.

 

[Scott Downey]

Those doctors warnings are all for 3 to 5 years in the future before all the 'predicted millions' die.
My mid 80's parents, brother who works in a hospital, and nephews are all vaccinated in the last couple of months, with only side effects being soreness.
Years not days, not months, no one can tell you it is safe when they did not get sick or die immediately or within 6 months of the vaccines.

Also on Pfizer liability, it all depends which labeled bottle you got vaccinated from.
If you got it from the EUA version “Pfizer-BioNTech”, you have no rights to sue as your part of the experimental vaccine group, and you agreed to be a participant in the trial.
If you got it from “Comirnaty” bottle then you have rights as your legally not a part of a medical experiment.

2 Things Mainstream Media Didn’t Tell You About FDA’s Approval of Pfizer Vaccine • Children's Health Defense (childrenshealthdefense.org)

And the FDA has not licensed any Moderna vaccine, nor any vaccine from Johnson & Johnson — so the vast majority, if not all, of vaccines available in the U.S. remain unlicensed EUA products.

Here’s what you need to know when somebody orders you to get the vaccine: Ask to see the vial. If it says “Comirnaty,” it’s a licensed product.

If it says “Pfizer-BioNTech,” it’s an experimental product, and under 21 U.S. Code 360bbb, you have the right to refuse.

 

[JonC]

The ultimate question is who to believe - the people who worked on and developed the vaccine, conducted trials and studies or people who want alternatives to the developed vaccines.

If this were academic then the better source would be the actual fact-sheets....a better source would be the sources referenced by those fact sheets.

 

[JonC]

The CDC does not profit from vaccines. The CDC is a government agency (under the Department of Health and Human Services) and is funded annually by Congress (non-allocated excess funds are removed each physical year).

The government does patent technologies it develops. So do private companies.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

The ultimate question is who to believe - the people who worked on and developed the vaccine, conducted trials and studies or people who want alternatives to the developed vaccines.

If this were academic then the better source would be the actual fact-sheets....a better source would be the sources referenced by those fact sheets.

No... the question I want answered is who do I sue if and when this all goes horribly wrong.

 

[JonC]

No... the question I want answered is who do I sue if and when this all goes horribly wrong.

You can be compensated by the government (probably a headache, though). Look up the provision (it is in place for all vaccines but I cannot recall the title....and it's only a little over 300K).

I'd imagine the effect would have to be something not listed as a possible side effect.

 

[Jack Hudson]

The CDC does not profit from vaccines. The CDC is a government agency (under the Department of Health and Human Services) and is funded annually by Congress (non-allocated excess funds are removed each physical year).

The government does patent technologies it develops. So do private companies.

In defying The Supreme Court of the US who ruled eviction mandates as unconstitutional and the following day stuck their middle finger up to them and extended them anyway, The CDC has now taken upon itself more authority then the highest court in the land.

States rights.......I never dreamed I would see the day I believed in them this much. I used to laugh at people who spoke of Govt. Tyranny in 2008 and thought they were paranoid nuts. Turns out they were right.

 

[JonC]

In defying The Supreme Court of the US who ruled eviction mandates as unconstitutional and the following day stuck their middle finger up to them and extended them anyway, The CDC has now taken upon itself more authority then the highest court in the land. So then if their rulings mean nothing, then we may as well forget all the others.

States rights.......I never dreamed I would see the day I believed in them this much. I used to laugh at people who spoke of Govt. Tyranny in 2008 and thought they were paranoid nuts. Turns out they were right.

Perhaps so. I do not trust the CDC.

But that does not mean I believe we should make up stuff that is not true. When Christians lie about liars I am not sure the distinction really matters.

That is what I am saying here. I believe they are untrustworthy in their conclusions (they are politically motivated and just like everybody else they do not know what the future holds).

BUT if we are trying to prove the CDC is untrustworthy by being untrustworthy ourselves then we are just as bad.

My point is the CDC is a federal agency - not a private company. The government appropriately holds patents for technologies it develops. The CDC does not take a profit (it is on a fiscal year budget, allocated funds can ho forward, and they are funded annually by Congress).

I just get tired of issues making sinners out of saints. The vaccine vs virus debate is not worth the integrity many have forfeited over the issue.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

You can be compensated by the government (probably a headache, though). Look up the provision (it is in place for all vaccines but I cannot recall the title....and it's only a little over 300K).

I'd imagine the effect would have to be something not listed as a possible side effect.

300K doesn’t cut 39 years of desperate living.

 

[JonC]

300K doesn’t cut 39 years of desperate living.

We don't know if we will live 39 years. ...

To me it is very simple. If you do not want the vaccibe then don't get vaccinated. If you want it, get it.

Are you going to sue Revmitchell for the misleading thread he posted a few weeks ago should you die of covid?

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

300K doesn’t cut 39 years of desperate living.

I must have about 14-15 when someone from one of the homes/treatment centers (horror shows) let me into the living area they put experimental vaccine children into... guess they thought I was used to it having lived with my sister those many years. What I saw would shock you... needless to say, overcrowded, understaffed, wretched broken children, teetering between a torturous live & impending death trial ... all because they were experiments gone wrong. At least aborted children do not go through that blasted torture. So when they say that well some fall through the cracks, put a face to those who through no fault of their own become human mistakes... that’s the underbelly and that’s what they don’t tell you, what they don’t talk about.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

We don't know if we will live 39 years. ...

To me it is very simple. If you do not want the vaccibe then don't get vaccinated. If you want it, get it.

Are you going to sue Revmitchell for the misleading thread he posted a few weeks ago should you die of covid?

I straight up don’t really read his posts. So my brother works for a hospital that will be mandating this vaccine. He works in IT... so what’s your advise to him?

 

[Wingman68]

We don't know if we will live 39 years. ...

To me it is very simple. If you do not want the vaccibe then don't get vaccinated. If you want it, get it.

Are you going to sue Revmitchell for the misleading thread he posted a few weeks ago should you die of covid?

He was talking about his sister, not you.

 

[Wingman68]

There is no debate about these three vaccines. All are experimental. You take them at your own risk. You agree to be a lab rat to try to avoid the dreaded flu. It’s dreaded because the lock down, mask up, social distancing of the last 1 1/2 years of our lives have been orchestrated to create fear. We are all now, seemingly, suffering from Stockholm Syndrome. We aren’t really allowed to debate it here without being treated as tin foilers, or anywhere else. Even Drs., nope. Read here:

How concerned are you about adverse events related to the vaccines?

 

[JonC]

I straight up don’t really read his posts. So my brother works for a hospital that will be mandating this vaccine. He works in IT... so what’s your advise to him?

My advice to him is to look at the pros and cons, make a decision.

If he believes the vacvi e is a problem, or does not want to work for an organization mandating a vaccine then find another employer.

 

[JonC]

He was talking about his sister, not you.

Does not matter. We are not promised tomorrow....much less 36 years.

The vaccine is less than a year old. So that would be 2056 if vacvinated when first made avaliable.