Featured Was Jesus ever disobediant?

Christ was an extraordinary child, not an ordinary child. There was no foolishness bound in His heart. No rod of correction was needed.

 

Disobedient to God?
No.

Disobedient toward the enemies of God?
Sometimes.

Disobedient toward parents?
Jesus reacted according to his ability to be obedient according to His age and maturity. It would do His parents no good to demand that He not soil His diaper when He was not old enough to have control of His bodily functions.

Two other possible instances of disobedience:

1. When Jesus did not stay with His family and friends as they traveled to and from Jerusalem when He was 12. They realized He was missing, and searched for a few days to locate Him.

2. When His mother and brothers came to see Him to take Him home because they thought He was mentally disturbed. Did He go with them? Nope.

Please note, disobedience is a different thing from sin. The original poster seems to understand this, but others may not.

 

Disobedience equals sin. Jesus did not sin. It is useless and futile to try to impose any of that on Jesus. Had he sinned He would not have been God and would not be qualified to go to the cross and our faith would be in vein.

There is nothing intellectual or edifying about dumb questions like is in the op.

 

Jesus was sinless, so nothing He did went against the will of God. So babies that do not know their right hand from their left may (repeat may) not be storing up wrath when they are learning obedience. But at some point, they know what they should do, and then do something else, and the process of storing up wrath begins.

Another point, sometimes Jesus followed His discernment of what God wanted Him to do, overriding the wishes of His parents. Again, we can only conclude His action did not pile up any wrath.

 

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It is called impassability. Look it up

 

Anyone who reads the Bible and knows anything about the deity of the Christ child and who he was would never consider asking this question. I did hear this similar question from an atheist arguing about Christ being the Son of God, so this maybe nothing more than an attempt to engage others in conversation for the sake of conversing.

BTW - I loved you answer.

 

Yes, I reject impassibility.

Impassibility works great for deism and the god of the Greek philosophers, but not for the God of scripture.

That would mean that God does not get emotionally involved in the lives of humankind (directly contrary to scripture). Moreover, God does not endure suffering - so the pain that Jesus felt was only physical, not emotional since He would not have cared about being betrayed.

It's interesting that Mormons love to quote impassibility from the Westminster Confession, point out how false the claim that God is emotionally disconnected from Him people is, then use that as leverage to say that the entire statement is wrong and that God has a body. That's obviously not true, but the error of Christians who hold to the classic view of impassibility as defined by the Westminster Confession gives false teachers an opportunity to deceive.

And yes, I know that a lot of prominent Christian leaders throughout history supported and defended passibility. That doesn't make it true.

 

I don't recall reading anything about his childhood in Scripture. Can you give me a scriptural reference for any question you asked about Christ?

I will give you a scriptural reference to answer your basic question did he sin:

1Pe 2:22 Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth:

As far as actions of sin - He did no sin. So as an infant he was an extraordinary child because "neither was guile found IN HIS MOUTH"



2Co 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.


By experience in life he "knew no sin" experientially.

Heb 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

His whole life from birth to death was "without sin" just as the ceremonially chosen sacrificial sheep must be "without blemish or spot".

Heb 7:26 For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;

He was an EXTRAODINARY infant "separate from sinners" as he was an EXTRAORINARY child and young man "separate from sinners" because he was "holy, harmless, undefiled".

1Jo 3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.

In regard to his human nature there was no sin "in him." That is not true of other human infants as they come into this world with the law of sin in them manifested by death in and outside of the womb.

Therefore, when we are dealing with SILENCE and the Bible is SILENT about his infancy and childhood, we are to interpret SILENCE by the precepts and principle provided by Scripture and the above scriptures provide the guidelines for SPECULATION.


Infants DIE and death is the condemnation of SIN just as Paul argues in Romans 5:13-14 because where there is no law there can be no death as the is the basis for the condemnation to death and infants die, and thus are UNDER THE LAW'S CONDEMNATION. They are born with a sinful nature and it is self-evident to any parent as has any parent ever had to TEACH infants to sin or do evil? No! what they must do is TEACH them to do good! Why, because good does not come natural.

Joseph and Mary did not have to teach Jesus to do good, as it came NATURAL to him because he was born "without sin" and no sin could be found "in him" by nature.

However, it seems you are doing what the enemies of Christ attempted to do and so Jesus asked:

Joh 8:46 ¶ Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?

 

The fact that He was an extraordinary child begins at the fact of His extraordinary conception.

Do you need a Scripture reference for that?

Not starting out as an extraordinary child, it's vain to project your own imagination of how Christ behaved based on your experience with ordinary children.

You assert that Christ cried as an infant. I don't recall reading that. Would you give me the Scripture reference? Thanks.

 

Did this photo get published in the French paper Chalie He do? :smilewinkgrin:

 

This was word for word a question I read from an atheist. If you are offended sorry. I just found it strange. I also find your question to be more empty space. You have heard of race baiter .... well this question is her to draw people into discussion with you about a non topic. Besides nothing I could ever say would keep you from posting arcane questions.

BTW - I happen to like some of you posts. This one was just a little silly. But it looks like you are getting good response. Ciao!

 

Disobedience is ALWAYS sin if it's at odds with God's truth and His commands.

As was said, Jesus was sinless. He did not dishonor his parents by disobeying them.

If the Spirit of God was directing Him to go preach in the Temple, then his parents would have been the ones out of alignment with God in telling Him to not go and do so if they did. God's commands trump the parents' commands.

Honestly, I wouldn't lose any sleep over such discussions T Alan. They just bog people down. It's much easier to , in faith, trust that Jesus---God in the flesh---lived a sinless life.

If He didn't, then none of us are saved.

We don't have to understand the dynamics of How He did it. But we have to trust that He did if we truly believe Him capable of taking on our sin and subsequently forgiving us and saving us.