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Was Judas saved?

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Iamodd4God

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standingfirminChrist said:
There is no contradiction. Both thieves railed on Jesus to begin with. But then one saw that Jesus was being crucified for crimes He had not done and He felt sorrow for Jesus.
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How about providing some Scripture to prove this? Sounds good, but then again that is how false doctrines are created; ideas presented having no Scriptural support proving it to be true.

In the name of Jesus Christ,

Ken
 
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TCGreek

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1. Matt 27:44 says that both were hurling insults at Jesus.

2. Luke 23:39-43 says one continued but the other turned to Jesus for salvation.

3. Now, that is Scriptural proof.
 
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standingfirminChrist

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Iamodd4God said:
How about providing some Scripture to prove this? Sounds good, but then again that is how false doctrines are created; ideas presented having no Scriptural support proving it to be true.

In the name of Jesus Christ,

Ken
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Ideas with no Scriptural support such as the saved being cast into outer darkness for 1,000 years?

or ideas with no Scriptural support such as Judas was saved but lost his Salvation?
 
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Amy.G

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TCGreek said:
1. Matt 27:44 says that both were hurling insults at Jesus.

2. Luke 23:39-43 says one continued but the other turned to Jesus for salvation.

3. Now, that is Scriptural proof.
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TC, Ken can't be wrong. He is perfect and sins not. He won't attend church because they are all apostate and only he has the correct interpretation of scripture. Therefore, you are just wrong! :laugh:
 
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TCGreek

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Amy.G said:
TC, Ken can't be wrong. He is perfect and sins not. He won't attend church because they are all apostate and only he has the correct interpretation of scripture. Therefore, you are just wrong! :laugh:
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We need to seriously pray that God would work on his heart. I'm serious.
 
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standingfirminChrist

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Jesus knew from the beginning who it was who would betray Him.

Jesus new in John 6 that not all beleived that He was the Christ, the Son of the living God, even though Peter seemed to be speaking on behalf of all the Disciples who did not go away.

Judas did not place his trust in the Lord. He was not saved, nor ever was saved.
 
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Heavenly Pilgrim

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TCGreek: We need to seriously pray that God would work on his heart. I'm serious.
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Amy: You are right. He is treading in dangerouse territory.
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HP: What is that Scripture about not judging? Why the personal comments? TCGreek, are you above prayer? I sure am not. How about you Amy? How do your comments or those of TCG add anything of value to a debate or discussion when they degenerate into personal attacks? If you two were really concerned, why would you not as disciples of Christ both take the Scriptural mandate to first go to him in private?
 
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standingfirminChrist

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Heavenly Pilgrim said:
HP: What is that Scripture about not judging? Why the personal comments? TCGreek, are you above prayer? I sure am not. How about you Amy? How do your comments or those of TCG add anything of value to a debate or discussion when they degenerate into personal attacks? If you two were really concerned, why would you not as disciples of Christ both take the Scriptural mandate to first go to him in private?
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What is that Scripture about judging righteous judgment? TCGreek and Amy G. have judged righteously... in light of the Scripture.

If you used Scripture to judge, you may see what they see. You may even see some things about yourself that do not please God.
 
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Heavenly Pilgrim

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StandingfirminChrist: Jesus knew from the beginning who it was who would betray Him.

Jesus new in John 6 that not all beleived that He was the Christ, the Son of the living God, even though Peter seemed to be speaking on behalf of all the Disciples who did not go away.
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HP: I agree that God knew he would become a devil, and He knew that from the beginning. That has nothing to do with the question at hand. God knows everything from the beginning to the end. That does not necessitate the outcome. If it does, you have just entered the world of fatalistic determination. If that is the case, God is to blame for He made him as he was.

OK, I understand how you feel. Where is the reference in Scripture that he was a devil from the beginning?
 
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Amy.G

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standingfirminChrist said:
Ken has revealed himself in the public forums, why should it be dealt with privately?
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Thank you SFIC. I was just getting ready to post the same thing. Ken has made his views quite public.
 
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Heavenly Pilgrim

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StandingfirminChrist: Ken has revealed himself in the public forums, why should it be dealt with privately?
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HP: Scripture does not say deal with some one way, but if they are on a private forum you can ignore My Word.

Seriously, if nothing else, such comments do nothing to provide the list with any useful for debate or discussion. Refute those you see as ones opposition with arguments, reason, Scripture or experience, but personal comments such as have been made IMHO as out of place and deter from the purpose of this board, again, IMHO, which I fully understand is again, my own opinion. I have no authority period other than to make my own comments as I feel led. I did that. Now lets get to the evidence we are asking for.:)
 
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standingfirminChrist

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It is funny, HP is telling us we need to take that which we have against Ken in a PM. Wonder why HP is not practicing that which he is preaching. Should he not have addressed us in PM instead of putting his grievances with us in the public thread?

HP, ya got three of yer own fingers pointing back at you.
 
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standingfirminChrist

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Heavenly Pilgrim said:
HP: I agree that God knew he would become a devil, and He knew that from the beginning. That has nothing to do with the question at hand. God knows everything from the beginning to the end. That does not necessitate the outcome. If it does, you have just entered the world of fatalistic determination. If that is the case, God is to blame for He made him as he was.

OK, I understand how you feel. Where is the reference in Scripture that he was a devil from the beginning?
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The Scripture does not say Judas became a devil. It says:
Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil? (John 6:70)
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When you say he became a devil, you are dismissing the truth.
 
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