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Water Baptism...A Fruit of the Spirit??

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by Frogman, Jul 31, 2005.

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  1. Frogman

    Frogman <img src="http://www.churches.net/churches/fubc/Fr

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    This topic may prove to best be served on the theology forum.

    Recently I have been discussing with some Independent Baptist Preachers the NT fact that there are no evident regenerated believers apart from what could be called gospel obedience to baptism.

    Is this a rehash of the Campbellite 'back to the bible' or is it a long lost tenet of the Church?

    Is water baptism (forget the Landmarker slant) a necessary fruit of the Spirit?

    I don't believe so. But does Baptism bring one into the New Covenant Relationship, whereas circumcision brought one into the OCovenant relationship?

    I don't think so, what do you think?

    I think this is just a re-emergence of baptismal remission among Baptists.

    Sure, water baptism is essential to gospel obedience, but as an evident fruit of the Spirit?

    Bro. Dallas
     
    #1 Frogman, Jul 31, 2005
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    I think the obedience to the Word of God is the fruit of the Spirit, not the act itself. Many times throughout scripture, you find that it is the heart of obedience that God is looking for, not just the act itself. I hope that makes sense. If I have time, I will post some scripture later.

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    #2 Joseph_Botwinick, Jul 31, 2005
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    If water baptism is a necessary fruit of the Spirit (and I am sure they mean full immersion baptism), then what happens to someone who gets saved in the middle of the desert and the person who shares the gospel with him sprinkles water from his canteen on him and then he dies immediately following his sprinkling?
     
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    Obedience is the key. If we aren't obediant to God we will never taste ther fruits of the Spririt. I agree with Joseph.
     
    #4 patrick, Aug 4, 2005
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    Dear Brethren,
    Thanks for your replies. My concern is with the fact of all the varying teachings regarding baptism, that it would be published among Baptists that it is a necessary fruit of salvation.

    I disagree with this, but I wish to be careful to say I don't disagree with the need of a child of God's obedience to baptism. I just can't see that as a proof test.

    John certainly saw love of the brotherhood as a primary evidence of our having passed from death into life; were baptism of equal evidence, should not the Spirit have included it?

    The argument is that in the NT context there are no true born again disciples apart from baptism. MY position is that until meeting with those knowing and able to teach the way of God more perfectly, both Apollos and those under his apparent teaching remained, for lack of better words "unbaptized".

    So, my concern is not that many 'unbaptized' believers are being permitted to be in open disobedience and the ramifications of that, but to what degree is the message of the commission to baptize and teach disciples all things being neglected. IMHO, this neglect is resulting in a wrong unscriptural emphasis being placed upon the gospel ordinance of baptism which in the end sounds very suspiciously to myself as Campbellism revisited in some baptist circles.

    Just some of my thoughts,
    Bro. Dallas
     
    #5 Frogman, Aug 4, 2005
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