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We need revival.
- Thread starter El_Guero
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Tom Butler
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Yes, let's pray that God will pour out revival upon us. We've seen what happens when we try to work one up.
Heavenly Pilgrim
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El Guerro: We need revival. Everywhere that I look I see the same quality in most things today. Mankind believe that God will not judge us for the evil that we commit.
Either God's promise will happen and He will judge mankind for the evil we commit; or God will not judge us.
HP: What’s all the fuss about revival? Are we not as perfect now in the eyes of God as we ever will be? Is it not true that if we are saved all God can see is the imputed righteousness of Christ anyway? Where in the world have you been El Guerro?
First, we are all totally depraved and will be totally depraved regardless of any revival, according to TULIP….unless you have some false notion of perfection. I suppose you feel that if revival happens we will all end up perfect or something? Secondly, nothing we can do in any way effects our standing before God for we are either elected to salvation or we are not. Either the atonement has already paid for our sins or it never will. If God decides to influence us to do differently than what we do, we cannot resist the change, and if there is no change it is just living proof that God did not desire for us to live differently than we already do. To top it all off, nothing we can or will do has anything to do with our salvation or our standing before God, so again, why all the fuss?? Was not all the evil we could commit already bought and paid for on the cross? Do you believe that we are saved or kept saved by anything we do? Do you believe in salvation by works??
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Heavenly Pilgrim said:
HP: What’s all the fuss about revival? Are we not as perfect now in the eyes of God as we ever will be? Is it not true that if we are saved all God can see is the imputed righteousness of Christ anyway? Where in the world have you been El Guerro?
First, we are all totally depraved and will be totally depraved regardless of any revival, according to TULIP….unless you have some false notion of perfection. I suppose you feel that if revival happens we will all end up perfect or something? Secondly, nothing we can do in any way effects our standing before God for we are either elected to salvation or we are not. Either the atonement has already paid for our sins or it never will. If God decides to influence us to do differently than what we do, we cannot resist the change, and if there is no change it is just living proof that God did not desire for us to live differently than we already do. To top it all off, nothing we can or will do has anything to do with our salvation or our standing before God, so again, why all the fuss?? Was not all the evil we could commit already bought and paid for on the cross? Do you believe that we are saved or kept saved by anything we do? Do you believe in salvation by works??
I guess everybody but Heavenly Pilgrim needs revival. I know I do and I also know my church does. I pray God would send it!
Heavenly Pilgrim
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SBC Preacher:I guess everybody but Heavenly Pilgrim needs revival. I know I do and I also know my church does. I pray God would send it!
HP: Let the whole world know, I am in need of a spiritual revival! Our nation is in need of a spiritual awakening! I was simply trying to point out, by carrying out the logic of Calvinism’s illogical ends, that numbs our spiritual senses to the truth and that holds many captive by it maelstrom of confusion that it of necessity invokes, that it will not happen until we start thinking right about religion again.
Oh God, give us a heart for truth, so that not only will we see our true need for revival but be able to understand and comprehend its real import, and be able to discern when it has or has not arrived.
Heavenly Pilgrim
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If we are all just sinners today, and that after a revival we will still just be the old sinners that we were before the revival, what real import will a revival of religion have upon us?
I believe that there is a misconception out there, that there will be a nation-wide or even world-wide revival before the coming of Christ. It is not so. The Bible speaks of things only getting worse and worse until Christ comes. Jesus said about his coming: "Will I find faith on the earth." He described the earth as being like the times of Noah: "eating and drinking and making merry."
Paul also said: "Know this also that in the last days perilous times shall come..." And then went on to describe one of the most pessimistic societies one could ever live in. A nation-wide or world-wide revival just will not happen.
But I do beleive that local revivals on an individual and on a local church basis do and will continue to happen, as God's people submit themselves to the Lord. God is still able to use those who submit themselves to Him.
Paul also said: "Know this also that in the last days perilous times shall come..." And then went on to describe one of the most pessimistic societies one could ever live in. A nation-wide or world-wide revival just will not happen.
But I do beleive that local revivals on an individual and on a local church basis do and will continue to happen, as God's people submit themselves to the Lord. God is still able to use those who submit themselves to Him.
We do indeed need revival. Remembering of course that revival only pertains to the people of God. The world improves morally as a consequence. But that is not the purpose of revival. My former minister was in Stornoway on the Isle of Lewis in the Western Isles during the time of the 1949 revival in that place and witnessed terrible things that they looked not for. When the Lord came down and the mountains flowed down at His presence.
He said the main effect that he witnessed upon the people of God in that place was that everyone was subdued as many came under deep conviction of sin. I feel that we as the Church of Christ are guilty of many great sins. I also feel that the world in general is feeling the effects of God's displeasure at this present time.
A verse of Scripture comes to mind as I think on these things.
He said the main effect that he witnessed upon the people of God in that place was that everyone was subdued as many came under deep conviction of sin. I feel that we as the Church of Christ are guilty of many great sins. I also feel that the world in general is feeling the effects of God's displeasure at this present time.
A verse of Scripture comes to mind as I think on these things.
If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land. (2Chronicals 7:14)
Heavenly Pilgrim
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DHK: But I do believe that local revivals on an individual and on a local church basis do and will continue to happen, as God's people submit themselves to the Lord. God is still able to use those who submit themselves to Him.
HP: What can we expect to see in these local revivals? If all our sins are already forgiven, and even though one might commit adultery or murder it has all been paid for, and there is no expectation to live holy in this preset world due to the fact that we all sin everyday and are presently all liars, what real import will such revivals have on those experiencing them or those around them, in this present world?
If in fact one would believe that a revival of religion consists in an actual change of behavior, is it not also true, due to the belief that death is the only sanctifier some on this list believe in, that in order for a revival of religion that actually would change lives to exist it would of necessity have to be initiated by all involved being be struck dead first? I am not just quite sure I ready and praying to take part in such a ghastly massacre.