We should discuss why modern day 'Baptist' theology, is not actually Baptist theology ...

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We should discuss why modern day 'Baptist' theology, is not actually Baptist theology, but Roman Catholic (even modern day Jesuit) theology.

What I mean by this is the following:

[1] Baptists used to believe that when a person dies they sleep in the earth until their resurrection. For example:

In his "Institutes of Ecclesiastical History" chancellor of the University of Gottingen, Johann L. von Mosheim records that the "General Baptists" where spread in large numbers over many of the provinces of England As one article of faith they held "that the soul, between death and the resurrection at the last day, has neither pleasure nor pain, but is in a state of insensibility." - [see Page 697] Mosheim's Institutes of Ecclesiastical History, Ancient and Modern
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[2] Baptists (prominent theologians, scholars and movements thereof) used to teach that Michael archangel as just another designation for the Son of God, being Deity and not created. For example:

John Gill

"... 2. Another prophecy in Dan. XII. 1-3. respects the sound and personal coming of Christ; for his is meant by Michael, who is as God, as his name signifies, equal to him; the great prince, the prince of the kings of the earth, and the head of all principalities and powers ..." [Volume II. Book IV. Of the Second Coming of Christ; Page 395] - A Complete Body of Doctrinal and Practical Divinity

"... for as for Michael, the Archangel, he seems to be no other than Christ. ..." [Book III. Of the Internal Works of God; Of the Creation of Angels; Page 182] - https://archive.org/stream/completebodyofdo00gill#page/182/mode

"... [A Body Of Doctrinal Divinity; Book III. Chapter 2. Of The Creation Of Angels] for as for Michael, the Archangel, he seems to be no other than Christ, the Prince of angels, and Head of all principality and power; who is as God, like unto him, as his name signifies; yea, equal with him. … and the "Watchers", in Nebuchadnezzar's dream, thought to be angels by many, more probably are the divine Persons in the Godhead, the same with the Holy Ones, and the most High (Dan. 4:17,24). ... The more common name given to these celestial spirits, is that of angels; the word for which in the Hebrew language, and which is used of them in the Old Testament, signifies "messengers"; and so the uncreated Angel, Christ, is called the Angel, or Messenger of the covenant (Mal 3:1), and it comes from a root, preserved in the Ethiopic dialect, which signifies to "send," [2] because these spirits have been often sent with messages and dispatches to the children of men: the word "angels" we use, comes from a Greek word, [3] which signifies the same; and are so called, from their being sent on, and bringing messages, which they declare, publish, and proclaim. …

… [2] dal “legavit, misit nuncium”, Ludolf. Lexic. Ethiop. p. 19. vid. Hottinger. Smegma Oriental. l. 1. c. 5. p. 88.

[3] aggellw “nuntio, nuntium affero”, Scapula." [A Body Of Doctrinal Divinity; Book III. Chapter 2. Of The Creation Of Angels] - Doctrinal Divinity - Christian Classics Ethereal Library

Doctrinal Divinity

http://www.pbministries.org/books/gill/Doctrinal Divinity/Book 3/book3 02.htm

Daniel 12:1:

"And at that time shall Michael stand up, &c. The Archangel, who has all the angels of heaven under him, and at his command, the Son of God, our Lord Jesus Christ; who is as God, as the name signifies, truly and really God, and equal in nature, power, and glory, to his divine Father. ..." [John Gill's Exposition Of The Bible; Daniel 12:1] - Daniel 12 Bible Commentary - John Gill’s Exposition of the Bible​

Jude 9:

"Yet Michael the archangel, &c. By whom is meant, not a created angel, but an eternal one, the Lord Jesus Christ; as appears from his name Michael, which signifies, "who is as God": and who is as God, or like unto him, but the Son of God, who is equal with God? and from his character as the archangel, or Prince of angels, for Christ is the head of all principality and power; and from what is elsewhere said of Michael, as that he is the great Prince, and on the side of the people of God, and to have angels under him, and at his command, Dan. 10:21, 12:1; Revelation 12:7. So Philo the Jew {o} calls the most ancient Word, firstborn of God, the archangel. ..." [John Gill's Exposition Of The Bible; Jude verse 9] - Jude 1 Bible Commentary - John Gill’s Exposition of the Bible​

Revelation 12:7:

"Michael and his angels fought against the dragon: by whom is meant not a created angel, with whom his name does not agree, it signifying "who is as God"; nor does it appear that there is anyone created angel that presides over the rest, and has them at his command. ..." [John Gill's Exposition Of The Bible; Revelation 12:7] - Revelation 12 Bible Commentary - John Gill’s Exposition of the Bible​

See also:

Revelation 12 - a Verse by Verse, and even phrase by phrase study

Revelation 12 - a Verse by Verse, and even phrase by phrase study

Revelation 12 - a Verse by Verse, and even phrase by phrase study​

 

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[3] Baptists have even in the past (and some even now modern still do) teach that there is no 'eternal torment' found in scripture. For example:

Samuel Richardson (1633-1658)

Pastor, First Particular Baptist Church, of London wrote a discourse entitled :

"A Discourse on the Torments of Hell : The Foundations and Pillars therof discover'd, serch'd, shaken, and remov'd. With Infallible Proofs that there is not to be a punishment after this Life, for any to endure that shall never end" 1658 [see also Page 70 here, right hand top Column] - A Baptist Bibliography​

Modern era:

"... annihilationists come from and are part of any number of different denominations. ...

... E. Earle Ellis was a professor of theology at Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary (Southern Baptist Convention) until he fell asleep. Similarly, Dale Moody taught at Southern Baptist Seminary (also SBC). I bet you never thought conservative Southern Baptists would hold this view! Claude Mariottini, Old Testament professor at Northern Baptist Seminary (American Baptist Convention), is also an annihilationist, 7 ..." - Don’t Be Afraid to Rethink Hell: Why Other Beliefs Needn’t Get In Your Way

"... I was a few weeks into the research when I read an article by a renown Southern Baptist New Testament scholar named E. Earle Ellis titled “The New Testament Teaching on Hell.” In it, he argued fairly and thoroughly that the New Testament advocates for an annihilation view of hell. This caught me off guard; I didn’t know he was going to argue for this. I read the article very casually, thinking it was going to be yet another defense of the traditional view. After all, Ellis is Southern Baptist. He’s evangelical. And he didn’t front his view at the beginning. He simply looked at all the relevant passages, exegeted them (with the exegetical methods I was taught in seminary), and then concluded that hell would not last forever; that is, its inhabitants would not experience everlasting conscious torment. And Ellis argued this from the text. ..." - Is Annihilation an Evangelical Option?

E. Earle Ellis ; New Testament Teaching on Hell - Rethinking Hell

Also Edward Fudge: See "Hell and Mr. Fudge".
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[4] The 7th day is the Sabbath, as according to the commandment (Exodus 20:8-11), and that Baptists kept this, even as some do now (Seventh-day Baptists), an that 'sunday' had no authority in the whole Bible, For example:

Sabbath

Early History of Seventh-Day Baptists

History The Seventh Day Baptists The oldest Sabbath-keeping Church in the US

Baptist​

[5] etc. to be discussed upon request.

 

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Some of these items have been discussed to the extreme before -
and there is incorrect statements listed.

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