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Wear a Green Bay Packers tie and get fired
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SpiritualMadMan
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I am torn between feeling sorry for the guy and understanding that your employer has a right to set dress code.
Seems just a bit more obstinate than smart no matter what the case may be.
Like wearing a "Star of David" in Mecca and expecting people to "understand"...
Seems just a bit more obstinate than smart no matter what the case may be.
Like wearing a "Star of David" in Mecca and expecting people to "understand"...
"(His boss) Roberts says the dealership has done promotions involving the Bears and he was afraid the tie could alienate the team's fans and make it harder to sell cars. Roberts adds that Stone was offered five chances to take of the tie and refused to do it."
His boss had a business related reason for asking him to remove the tie - he thought that it would hurt car sales.
I would have only asked once or twice and then given him a couple of days off without pay.
My guess is that by the fifth time asking, his boss was just fed up with the employee's stubborness.
His boss had a business related reason for asking him to remove the tie - he thought that it would hurt car sales.
I would have only asked once or twice and then given him a couple of days off without pay.
My guess is that by the fifth time asking, his boss was just fed up with the employee's stubborness.
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He is actually lucky, If he wore a Steelers Tie in Queens they would be calling 911.
The question is this:
* Is there a dress code that prohibits the use of any emblem at all? If not, the boss was in the wrong. The man was dressed appropriately for the job he was doing. Unless they specify that the ties must be plain or striped, or something else that prohibits certain materials from the ties, they cannot stipulate later what the person is wearing.
* When they do the Bears promos, do they wear any Bear paraphanalia? If so, this man had every right to wear the Packers' tie.
* Is there a dress code that prohibits the use of any emblem at all? If not, the boss was in the wrong. The man was dressed appropriately for the job he was doing. Unless they specify that the ties must be plain or striped, or something else that prohibits certain materials from the ties, they cannot stipulate later what the person is wearing.
* When they do the Bears promos, do they wear any Bear paraphanalia? If so, this man had every right to wear the Packers' tie.
This was a Chevy dealership - would your answer be the same if he was wearing an article of clothing promoting Ford or Toyota?
If they have a dress code prohibiting such, yes, I would say that he should not wear it. But if one can wear a fish tie or a baseball tie - or a Bears tie, then the man should have the freedom to express HIS likes as well.
But what if there was no formal dress code prohibiting wearing articles of clothing promoting the other car manufacturers?
Or what if he wore articles of clothing promoting satanism?
Or legalized marijanua?
Or beer?
Absent a formal dress code all of the above should be allowed?
Yes, they should be allowed. THUS, a formal dress code should ALWAYS be in place for every business.
You are consistent - which is good.
Having owned a couple of businesses myself - my experience is that an employee that refuses a reasonable request - which I believe this was - is not a co-operative employee and I would not want to keep him around either.
You are consistent - which is good.
Having owned a couple of businesses myself - my experience is that an employee that refuses a reasonable request - which I believe this was - is not a co-operative employee and I would not want to keep him around either.
See, I don't think it's a reasonable request. If they can wear Bears stuff, why not Packers stuff?
But again, absolutely a dress code is necessary in all businesses. We even have one at church for all staff and volunteers. It's a pretty simple one but it's enough that you're not going to find shorts much above the knee (Bermudas are OK), spaghetti strap tops or shirts that show undergarments on women or sleeveless tops, torn jeans or undergarments showing on the men. It still leaves plenty of leeway but just makes it a bit easier to be modest and put forth a bit more of a professional look.
The article stated that the dealership has done promotions involving the Bears and he was afraid the tie could alienate the team's fans and make it harder to sell cars.
The dealership is located in Chicago - home of the Chicago Bears.
It only makes sense that the dealership would not want their sales employees wearing clothing promoting the other team.
That is why I think that the request was reasonable.
Honestly, I still don't see the big deal. I mean even if a car salesman around here wore a Red Sox tie, I still don't think it's right to ask him to remove it if others can wear ties of their own preferred team. **shrug shoulders**
I hear you.
I'm the same - but it seems that some people take sports seriously.
The only time that I cared about sports was when I was in highschool and then later when my kids were playing in highschool. :laugh:
Yep - "Don't mess with my school sports!!"
But honestly, if we want freedoms where we can wear a cross necklace or a pin on our jacket, we do need to allow others to do the same. I see it as the same in this case. I honestly don't think, if the employee were to take the employer to court, that the employer has a leg to stand on - unless they have a written dress code that was violated.
freeatlast
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Here is a guy that stood his ground. Now he needs to accept the consequences and move on.
Absent an agreement to the contrary employment is at will - which means that the employer and the employee can both terminate the relationship without reason.
Meaning that an employer doesn't need a reason to release or fire an employee.
Robert Snow
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The part I find difficult to believe is that he was wearing this tie in honor of his grandmother who was a Green Bay Packer's fan. Just too confidential that the day he decided to wear this tie was after his city's team was upset by the Packers.
Also, his boss asked him five times to take the tie off. Where I work, you are not likely to be asked to do something by the boss five times. As a matter of fact, if you are asked something only one time and you refuse, you probably won't be working there any longer, at least not for the rest of that day!
Also, his boss asked him five times to take the tie off. Where I work, you are not likely to be asked to do something by the boss five times. As a matter of fact, if you are asked something only one time and you refuse, you probably won't be working there any longer, at least not for the rest of that day!
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