Featured Were Old Testament Saints Born Again?

absolutely not

 

I am 100% positive

Born again is an objective reality. Prophesied in OT prophets - new heart, new spirit, etc. Quoted in the book of Hebrews "In those days..." and is called the New Covenant

These quotations found in Hebrews 9-10 are centered around expounded thoughts on the Day of Atonement, and a contrast between the blood of bulls and goats versus the blood of Christ.

There are very plain statements in these contrasts, that the blood of bulls and goats could never remove sins, could never perfect the comer, etc. The obvious implication is that the blood of Jesus does, in fact, remove sins.

Also, very plain statements in Hebrews 9-10 about the blood of Jesus removing sins, and forever perfecting the ones who are sanctified

And it is plainly stated that the New Covenant could not begin without a death, the one Jesus spoke about His body and blood.

There is a whole lot more to this issue, I could probably write a whole book on it

 

can't get to the bottom of the issue until the million dollar question is answered - what is "born again" ?

How do you define it? How does scripture define it? What is the substance of it? Objectively, what happens to a person during this born again experience? What does new creation mean, in objective terms? What does it mean that we become the righteousness of God?

If you think "born again" happened in the Old Testament, then you don't understand what it is -the substance of the new birth - from a scriptural viewpoint. And understanding what it actually is, also answers why Nicodemus should have known what it is. It was prophesied

Read 2Cor 3, where Paul contrasts the ministry of death with the ministry of the Spirit.
The washing of regeneration, remission of sins, "kaphar" as it relates to the Day of Atonement, there is a whole lot to this issue.

But let's start with a definition? What is "born again?

Not how does it happen, or what does it look like, or any kind of subjective notions. Very objectively, what is it?

 

What does this have to do with "born again" ??

Indwelling is not the definition of born again

Two separate issues there.


However, along the lines of indwelling in the OT, there was at least a partial indwelling - at least prophets. More than likely not a permanent indwelling, for David prayed "Do not take your Holy Spirit from me" (Psalm 51:11)

 

Where's the definition found in that passage?

 

no, you're wrong. I gave plenty of scriptural support for properly understanding "born again"

You will not find any scriptural support for the notion that indwelling is synonymous with born again.

They happen at the same time, but they are not the same thing. But it's not something the typical Protestant understands. Not sure if you're a Protestant, but if you are, you won't get it. I know that much

 

And like I said, Until you properly understand what it is, there's no use in trying to figure out if it happened in the Old Testament

 

I'd rather discuss "born again" since that's the thread topic. Totally a different issue from indwelling