Wesley rolls over in grave!

Point resolved -- post deleted to avoid unwanted links.

[ April 29, 2005, 05:35 PM: Message edited by: BobRyan ]

 

According to the judgement of the higher UMC court - it is a bunch of technicalities as they claim that "they don't know what homosexuality IS".

I guess they found a loophole where they could debate "what the meaning of IS is" and thus placed a practicing Lesbian back in denominational spiritual leadership.

How convenient.

 

Well, I'm disappointed. I was quite pleased with previous decision.

Wesley is not only rolling in his grave--we'll need a tachometer to gauge the RPM.

 

They may need some remedial Bible "reading" classes as well.

 

This is terrible, yet, how does this differ from Baptist churches that decide to do their own thing like:


http://www.baptistchurchsf.org/

 

Can't just about anyone start their own Protestant or independent Baptist Church and do whatever they want as long as it's legal. I have a question. What is to stop homosexual Baptist churches from popping up all over the place?

 

Nothing.

 

However, the discipline of Baptist churches should be handeled at the local level. Whereas, in the UMC, they have a hierarchy of discipline. This isn't just a few churches saying it is an accepted practice, but an entire denomination.

 

Don't they just splint into more denominations?

 

Don't they just splint into more denominations?

 

A few points:

1. There is no difference between the UMC and Liberal "Baptist" Churches. As a matter of fact, I find it ironic that I found the following in the link Kathryn provided above:

2. There are liberal "Baptist" churches which affirm the sin of homosexuality to their shame.

3. The major difference, as I see it and understand it between the UMC doing this and a local Baptist church doing this is that it is the local Baptist church who has decided to do this as a local congregation. In the UMC, pastors and staff are appointed by higher ups and the Church basically has to take what they get. There is not much local autonomy in choices like this as there is in the Baptist Church. My guess is that many Methodist Churches probably are ok with this abomination, but I am guessing that there are some who really don't appreciate it at all.

Joseph Botwinick

 

From their website:

Coincidence?

 

I remember about 3 years ago there were very few. Now there seems to be many.

http://www.rainbowbaptists.org/wachurches.htm

http://www.allianceofbaptists.org/churches.htm#CALIFORNIA

 

It looks like the "tares" are making themselves known.

It just wish they would have the decency to drop the name Baptist if they are going to so openly disregard the Bible.

 

Being a Methodist, I am so dismayed at the hierarchy of the Church. It seems, the higher up you go, the more removed from God they become. They seem to run the Church like a government or a corporation. What is the Council of Bishops’ purpose? Does their dialog ever accomplish anything?

Seems to me, the Methodists are becoming more of a secular organization with “traditional” roots in Christianity. Worse yet, they seem to endorse the idea of “relative truth” or “evolving truth”. I bet they would take their Cross down if some group though it offensive!

Still, at the local level, our Church is a good Church. For me and my wife, our Church is a mission field through teaching Disciple classes and music.