What about Abortion?

[JustChristian]

This topic dominates political discussion on this board. Let's get the truth out. For simplicity I'm grouping two positions together:

Against Abortion

1) In all cases

2) Except when the life of the mother is at stake

Pro Abortion

1) In all cases

2) In any other case except when the mother's life is at stake.

In other words, the Against abortion position only would allow abortion in that fraction of 1% case in which the mother's life is at risk. The Pro Abortion case would allow abortion in other cases.

 

[donnA]

I think abortion only when the mothers life is at stake is too subjective. I've heard liberals say all kinds of stupid things about that, like the mothers chosen way of life, or her finical life, and people buy into it. It shows 'the mothers life is at stake' is too subjective.

 

[JustChristian]

I think abortion only when the mothers life is at stake is too subjective. I've heard liberals say all kinds of stupid things about that, like the mothers chosen way of life, or her finical life, and people buy into it. It shows 'the mothers life is at stake' is too subjective.

Generally those comments are about the phrase "when the mother's health is at stake." Life means the mother will die if the pregnancy continues. I'm not an expert but tubal pregnancy might fit into this category.

 

[donnA]

No it does not.

 

[Palatka51]

This topic dominates political discussion on this board. Let's get the truth out. For simplicity I'm grouping two positions together:

Against Abortion

1) In all cases

2) Except when the life of the mother is at stake

I'm with DonnA on #2. She is right on.

My great grandmother died 2 days after my grandfather was born. It was the pregnancy that killed her. She left a note to her new born son that led to the salvation of the man's soul as he grew older. We have that original letter in our family safe. It was a witness to my grandfather, my dad and even me. Her sacrifice for the birth of her son has left a legacy of life. That witness has even directed our souls to Christ and that legacy is eternal. If my great grandmother had not given birth I would not be here to give Saturneptune a brain hemorrhage. And that is another thing he'll have to take up with God in my behalf.

 

[Gold Dragon]

I'm not an expert but tubal pregnancy might fit into this category.

Yes, an ectopic pregnancy like a tubal one that is not terminated can lead to bleeding and death of the mother and the baby usually cannot reach full term. Although apparently this one woman successfully delivered an ectopic full term baby via C-section. She is definitely the exception rather than the rule and praise God for that miracle.

BBC: Ovary baby survives against odds

A woman in Australia has given birth to a healthy baby girl after a rare full-term ectopic pregnancy.

Against all odds, baby Durga survived despite developing in her mother's ovary instead of her uterus.

Her mother Meera Thangarajah, 34, had shown no signs of abnormality and doctors only realised when they performed a Caesarean section.

Most ectopic pregnancies end in miscarriage or are terminated early because of the risk to the mother.
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[Bible-boy]

There was a lady in my Sunday School class, when I lived in GA, who had had an ectopic pregnancy. She did not know she was even carrying a child. The child grew there in her "tube" (between her ovary and her womb) and eventually she miscarried. The child died. However, she (the mother) did not die. It is a lie of the pro-choice movement that an ectopic pregnancy will always result in the death of the mother.

 

[KenH]

I am opposed to abortion in all cases for any reason.

 

[JustChristian]

I'm with DonnA on #2. She is right on.

My great grandmother died 2 days after my grandfather was born. It was the pregnancy that killed her. She left a note to her new born son that led to the salvation of the man's soul as he grew older. We have that original letter in our family safe. It was a witness to my grandfather, my dad and even me. Her sacrifice for the birth of her son has left a legacy of life. That witness has even directed our souls to Christ and that legacy is eternal. If my great grandmother had not given birth I would not be here to give Saturneptune a brain hemorrhage. And that is another thing he'll have to take up with God in my behalf.

They chose to kill your great grandmother rather than your grandfather. As far as the Sanctity of Life is concerned, I'd call that a break-even. Their choice.

 

[targus]

I am opposed to abortion in all cases for any reason.

I am going to go out on a limb here and guess that what you are saying with these words is that you are opposed to abortion in all cases for any reason for yourself.

Yes, I believe that you would never have an abortion yourself for any reason.

Do you oppose abortion for all people in all cases for any reason?

 

[Gold Dragon]

It is a lie of the pro-choice movement that an ectopic pregnancy will always result in the death of the mother.

You are correct that an ectopic pregnancy does not always result in the death of the mother and for many it presents no major health risks because it is simply a spontaneous miscarriage. Any pro-choice source that says otherwise is incorrect but I doubt you will find that view is a common one among pro-choicers.

At the same time, death is a very real risk of a woman with an unterminated ectopic pregnancy as well as future infertility.

eMedicine - Ectopic Pregnancy
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Ectopic pregnancy currently is the leading cause of pregnancy-related death during the first trimester in the United States, accounting for 9% of all pregnancy-related deaths. In addition to the immediate morbidity caused by ectopic pregnancy, the woman's future ability to reproduce may be adversely affected as well.
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[SaggyWoman]

I am anti abortion with a SaggyWoman lean.

 

[KenH]

Do you oppose abortion for all people in all cases for any reason?

Yes, I do. Unfortunately, the majority of my fellow Americans don't agree with me on this and probably never will.

I think that a problem Barack has on this issue is that he looks at it too intellectually instead of from the perspective that an unborn child is a child. I admit that I look at this issue from an emotional perspective as I don't think that an innocent life should ever be intentionally taken.

 

[Cliff B]

They chose to kill your great grandmother rather than your grandfather. As far as the Sanctity of Life is concerned, I'd call that a break-even. Their choice.

That statement is as ridiculous as those who say that pro-lifers should also stand against all war. They did not choose to KILL anyone! She chose to allow her child to live, & let God determine her future. Why can't you pro-baby murder people accept when a woman chooses life?

God does not condemn all war in Scripture. But He does condemn all who shed innocent blood.

 

[windcatcher]

That statement is as ridiculous as those who say that pro-lifers should also stand against all war. They did not choose to KILL anyone! She chose to allow her child to live, & let God determine her future. Why can't you pro-baby murder people accept when a woman chooses life?

God does not condemn all war in Scripture. But He does condemn all who shed innocent blood.

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